That Politics Thread

[҉]

So we happy few who can see the world for what it is will upload our concious minds into a massive interstellar compter netwrok and live for eternity as AIs?

If you've uploaded a person, it's not an AI. The 'artificial' is an important part of that, and if it's a human mind it isn't artificial.

[Vinyl]

We should make our central hub called ARK 1 and name the followers NSCD.

[Professor Fenway]

NCSD is the intellectual property of Prototype. You may NOT use it.

[Iv121]

All this good and nice but you know why it's a cliche ? Everyone can describe ideal societies (this one is really far from ideal BTW) but don't do anything to get there. Unless you have as much beautiful plan to do it all that talk is pointless demagogy, waste of time.

BTW you didn't include so many things: For example what's about the poor ? You and they live so differently, how you gonna help so many of them ? OR did your whole world union includes only the rich western countries ?

OR how are you going to solve such diverse problems that every single place has and make them sit together at one table ? I mean really some of them hate each other for a time longer than you can imagine (yeah like the Koreans or the Indians and Pakistani or even our favorites Saudi and Iran and... )

[Chairman_Tiel]

All this good and nice but you know why it's a cliche ? Everyone can describe ideal societies (this one is really far from ideal BTW) but don't do anything to get there. Unless you have as much beautiful plan to do it all that talk is pointless demagogy, waste of time.

BTW you didn't include so many things: For example what's about the poor ? You and they live so differently, how you gonna help so many of them ? OR did your whole world union includes only the rich western countries ?

OR how are you going to solve such diverse problems that every single place has and make them sit together at one table ? I mean really some of them hate each other for a time longer than you can imagine (yeah like the Koreans or the Indians and Pakistani or even our favorites Saudi and Iran and... )

Look, I'm just pointing out the state of society and pointing out a possible solution as a platform for discussion. I don't appreciate you being a dick at every corner seemingly for the sake of being one. If you insist on continuing to do so I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting in this thread.

To address your points - there's no way we can help the poor in our current state. The only way would be to hit a reset button on the world, but that's not possible without a unified government. As for conflict, again, there's very little anyone can do about that (US thinks it's its job to police the world, and even we do a terrible job at it) without drawing everyone together and figuring things out. Provincial security forces would make sure no major incidents occur until a resolution is reached.

I fully realize some people just hate each other, and sometimes that's for good reason. Most of the middle east hates the western nations at the moment because they stepped in and tried to disrupt their way of life. The Muslim countries surrounding Israel hate it because they went to war with it and got their butts kicked, and can't do anything about it because western countries support it.

I suspect that if every province is largely left to its own devices with some guidance from the presiding government, the numbers of terrorist groups such as Al-Queda would begin to dwindle. After all, what would they fight for? The only thing troops stationed within the country would do is a) maintain the peace, and b) ensure anyone who wants to leave can do so.

I don't know about Israel. You'd probably have to give that land back to the Palestinians.

[Iv121]

Ok should I start packing ?

Anyway here are more practical solutions at least for the financial problem. See giving out money out of air is not the way to solve it and sitting together talking about it is not the way either. You should look what they can offer as a trade for money, and for this they have something special - cheap labour. Currently most of their work is almost free in our standards and the profit from it is huge. Let's begin to direct it correctly.

A minimum salary of 250$ per month (which is nothing) can allow that person live 5 times better. Let's take it further now - If you have a one huge government it has a LOT of money together. This money can be used to give different subsidies but I believe this will only make those people parasites living on this money. Instead make the government use this money for big projects such construction of infrastructure in the same 3rd world countries, less for the result and more for the working places it offers while keeping as much money as possible in the system. If we ever get to space age the biggest employer will again be the government building large fleets in shipyards located in the poor regions. Such work will not only significantly improve their lives but also change their own perspective about work reducing their pure laziness. Some of this money will go into dead ends such as that infrastructure but some of it can go to make profitable products that bring more money back into the system. OFC for them to be profitable prices will need to rise so life in your ideal world Tiel will become harder but on the other hand it will bring more people to an acceptable level of living (compare 250$ to around 30$ if not less)

As for people hating each other the only way to get rid of it is to get rid of countries. No provinces and no borders, one pure unit. That is a lot harder than it sounds and will not solve racism. Those all should be coupled with education and propaganda. Although many approach it sceptically in our age it actually works amazingly over generations and even if you were told in home otherwise for example, the peer pressure that is created by the fact it's not accepted to do so in the society (as a result of this campaign) will actually force you not to do it. It is a procedure you need to begin in early ages and promote through media, censoring anything that might give the idea racism is common. As you see this method pretty much means that your brain can be washed to do anything in this country, everything has downsides and you have to deal with it. Somehow I feel dictatorship is not too bad if eventually you live better from it.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Anyway here are more practical solutions at least for the financial problem. See giving out money out of air is not the way to solve it and sitting together talking about it is not the way either.

I don't recall saying anything about giving people free money. Theoretically with an economy and education system reboot there should be very little likelihood of poverty as long as people strive to work towards their own success. That's not going to be the case in the US, most likely, but outside of switching over to a command economy there's not much that can be done about it. Those that live for nothing, die for nothing. As far as "sitting together talking about it", what else would we do? The idea here is to collaborate and together prescribe the best courses of action to solve today's problems.

As for people hating each other the only way to get rid of it is to get rid of countries. No provinces and no borders, one pure unit. That is a lot harder than it sounds and will not solve racism.

I realize how hard it is, that's why I didn't include it in my opening post. People want to have a sense of identity, that's why you have organizations like the PLO. Trying to clump everyone together into a single nation would only work if they get to retain some semblence of that, otherwise we end up with USSR v2.0

[Iv121]

Here works natural selection - your nation cannot have rivals, means no other nations. There might be nationalities but not nations . Notice that I do not expect it to be democracy. A regime is a mirror of it's time just like many other things, for new times you need a new regime, better than what currently exists. Maybe if you dig deep enough you will be able to come up with a complicated scheme or a combination of already existing regimes though it's hard for me to believe we can know so early what it will look like.

The PLO is a ruling mechanism.

[ACH0225]

Tiel, as a member of a race that has watched humans since your birth, I'll tell you that humans are simply entering another cycle in history. A new age, another chapter in your book. What you are feeling is the feeling of a citizen in a nation that is declining. This is what a Sumerian felt at the end of their power, what an Ottoman felt, and what about any other declined civilization felt. Your decline is merely a fertilizer for a new generation, a new group to rise.

...sadly, I agree.

Don't be sad about it, do something to better yourself and make the future better. Ensure you don't go forgotten.