Religion Thread

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Isn't the idea of the Trinity pretty important for Christianity? That it's one God with three aspects is kinda the point. I can't say it makes a ton of sense to me either (The Bible has too many plot holes for me to be inspired to follow it as truth), but I was pretty sure that that idea was really what it was going for.

[Chairman_Tiel]

It's important for catholicism. The way I heard it was that Jesus was apparently a masochist and needed to die in order to claim the place of God, who's now on a retirement plan.

From that perspective the concept of a shared spirit through some random Jew lady, Jesus, and God sounds like an utter mindf**k. I'm sure if CMA were still with us he'd be more than willing to enlighten.

[Iv121]

Hey reminds me the crap we study at bible lessons now ... There was a mention in the text where God held some sort of summit, inviting his servants (the angels) ... One of them was Satan BTW, they were referred to as "The God's Sons" ... so yea theoretically you can say Jesus was an angle and thus solve that "How the hell god had a son ?" issue.

[joykler]

look again i will point to this

my mother has worked in a mental institution

there where hundreds of people claiming there jezus

one time two met
they said im the jezus from the third floor he is the jezus from the second floor

i dont believe in god nor jezus
maybe he did exist but even then he wouldnt be anymore special than enybody else
just a mental [like all the other messiases] a good person like ghandi [also worshipped this makes some sense] or a great fraud

sorry for this wake up call

ding ding we are alone

[Prototype]

You can't rule out a god, but you can't prove it either

[joykler]

you can rule out a usefull god

[Prototype]

you can rule out a usefull god

Yes, about right.

[joykler]

i mean a all knowing god possible
a god that created this universe possible
but a god that would help in the daily live or any help in this world is not present and provable to be not present
no heaven or hell
a god that allows these kinds of pain and sorrow is no good god
and i mean if a normal father lets one of his children take all te crap of the world
to let the other one roam free

we call child survices
with god we call it a sacrifice that is good whats upp with that ??!!!!

[Avenger_7]

While there is plenty of evidence to disprove most religions, there isn't any to disprove God, nor is there any to support him. The New Testament was written several hundred years after Jesus died; the oldest widely believed holy text is the Old Testament which factors heavily in the Hebrew bible. Even this has been altered over the years, to the point that the original text is, in parts, completely different.

The most obvious use of editing is Genesis, the story of Adam and Eve. It was added in the middle ages so peasants would know their place. The story makes no sense at all, but worse than that it shows God as either a)not omnipotent or b) a malicious *. The bible is rife with this kind of inconsistency, and on the whole it invalidates itself.

That said, there is nothing about books written by men that runs counter to the idea of some sort of higher power. For this reason, no one should be limited insofar as what they believe in as long as it doesn't run counter to logic.

For the record I am an agnostic atheist. Although I personally don't believe there is a god, I do acknowledge the possibility that one may exist.

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maybe he did exist but even then he wouldnt be anymore special than enybody else

First off, Jesus. It's a five letter word. The forum's spellcheck catches it and spells it correctly. Everyone else here is saying it correctly. You have absolutely no excuse to be misspelling these words. Yes, I know you don't speak English, but come on.

Second, Jesus certainly existed. There's enough evidence that he really did live, and at around the time he's supposed to, that that's pretty much a fact. The question is whether we believe that he was actually holy, not whether we believe that he existed.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Most sources say he was a cult leader with no actual power.

Me, I'd like to think he was a guy with a message he wanted to spread that other people blew out of proportion.

[Avenger_7]

Pretty much yeah. Keep in mind the bible was written by Catholic monks 400 years after he died. It's essentially the world's oldest game of Telephone.

[CommanderKobialka]

i mean a all knowing god possible
a god that created this universe possible
but a god that would help in the daily live or any help in this world is not present and provable to be not present
no heaven or hell
a god that allows these kinds of pain and sorrow is no good god
and i mean if a normal father lets one of his children take all te crap of the world
to let the other one roam free

we call child survices
with god we call it a sacrifice that is good whats upp with that ??!!!!

My religion (and I think most Christians believe this next point) says that pain and sorrow in life is God testing us.

[CommanderKobialka]

The New Testament was written several hundred years after Jesus died

Not all of it. Notice that some of the books in the New Testament were written by Jesus's apostles. The reason why there are so many different versions of the bible is that over the past 2000 years, religious leaders and other people have altered the bible (taken out parts they don't like that might make it harder to control their followers, rewritten in, trying to make it easier to understand, and totally missing the point, etc.)

[҉]

Notice that some of the books in the New Testament were written by Jesus's apostles.

*Are claimed to have been written by. Just like the Pentateuch was totally written by Moses.