Dem Movie/TV Moments

[fr0stbyte124]

He probably couldn't figure out how to run the computer on. I kind of suspect he's secretly really bad with technology.

[Keon]

That's why he learned the force, because magic is easier. Also, his father knows his way round tech.

[҉]

Not according to Luke.

I'm with Fr0st on this one. Luke just put the helmet on his head. That's a world away from having it active and sealed with the bodysuit and all that stuff. Actually, as far as I know there's virtually no information about what stormtrooper helmets are like. But there's tons about clone trooper helmets because of all the CW stuff the past few years, and presumably stormtrooper armor is at least as capable as CT armor. You should see much better with the helmet than without it, if you know how to use it. Which Luke would not have. He's pretty good with droids and stuff, but there's really no way for him to have ever encountered any sort of armor like that before, so it probably wouldn't help him much. With clone trooper (or at least clone commando) helmets, it's like a full computer that you control by blinking at the options. The chance of Luke knowing to do that is essentially nil.

It should be noted, though, that I did see something go by about faulty sights being issued with cheap Imperial blasters being one reason the crack Imperial stormtrooper ninja commando 'most awesome guys in the army' repeatedly missed Luke and Han from a few meters away. I'm not sure if that's actually canon, though.

[hyperlite]

That is just the movies, missing from a few meters away.

[Chairman_Tiel]

True, true. I guess it'd make sense seeing as Commando's have HUDs...but their helmets glow, don't they? I don't think stormtrooper helmets do...

And the reason they're so inaccurate, at least according to Jedi Academy, is because their carbines have crappy stocks; once removed they're pretty accurate. But like hyper said that's just to service protagonist plot armor in the movies; in all other media stormtrooper=death. Sorta like shields failing every episode in Star Trek.

[Shiva]

Not according to Luke.

I'm with Fr0st on this one. Luke just put the helmet on his head. That's a world away from having it active and sealed with the bodysuit and all that stuff. Actually, as far as I know there's virtually no information about what stormtrooper helmets are like. But there's tons about clone trooper helmets because of all the CW stuff the past few years, and presumably stormtrooper armor is at least as capable as CT armor. You should see much better with the helmet than without it, if you know how to use it. Which Luke would not have. He's pretty good with droids and stuff, but there's really no way for him to have ever encountered any sort of armor like that before, so it probably wouldn't help him much. With clone trooper (or at least clone commando) helmets, it's like a full computer that you control by blinking at the options. The chance of Luke knowing to do that is essentially nil.

It should be noted, though, that I did see something go by about faulty sights being issued with cheap Imperial blasters being one reason the crack Imperial stormtrooper ninja commando 'most awesome guys in the army' repeatedly missed Luke and Han from a few meters away. I'm not sure if that's actually canon, though.

Something that is canon is that Stormtrooper armor was like the Chinese knockoff of Clone Trooper armor... which was an almost disappointingly large amount better than ST armor. Better protection, better instrumentation, more flexible... and that's without touching Katarn-class CT armor.

[blockman42]

Not according to Luke.

I'm with Fr0st on this one. Luke just put the helmet on his head. That's a world away from having it active and sealed with the bodysuit and all that stuff. Actually, as far as I know there's virtually no information about what stormtrooper helmets are like. But there's tons about clone trooper helmets because of all the CW stuff the past few years, and presumably stormtrooper armor is at least as capable as CT armor. You should see much better with the helmet than without it, if you know how to use it. Which Luke would not have. He's pretty good with droids and stuff, but there's really no way for him to have ever encountered any sort of armor like that before, so it probably wouldn't help him much. With clone trooper (or at least clone commando) helmets, it's like a full computer that you control by blinking at the options. The chance of Luke knowing to do that is essentially nil.

It should be noted, though, that I did see something go by about faulty sights being issued with cheap Imperial blasters being one reason the crack Imperial stormtrooper ninja commando 'most awesome guys in the army' repeatedly missed Luke and Han from a few meters away. I'm not sure if that's actually canon, though.

Something that is canon is that Stormtrooper armor was like the Chinese knockoff of Clone Trooper armor... which was an almost disappointingly large amount better than ST armor. Better protection, better instrumentation, more flexible... and that's without touching Katarn-class CT armor.

Katarn Armor is smexxy, but does it matter when you get killed with one shot form any weapon.

[Shiva]

Katarn Armor is smexxy, but does it matter when you get killed with one shot form any weapon.

... what are you smoking? Katarn armor can take a direct grenade to the chestplate and not even get much of a scratch. Blasters tend to fizzle against it. Collapsing buildings won't kill the wearer inside.

[blockman42]

Katarn Armor is smexxy, but does it matter when you get killed with one shot form any weapon.

... what are you smoking? Katarn armor can take a direct grenade to the chestplate and not even get much of a scratch. Blasters tend to fizzle against it. Collapsing buildings won't kill the wearer inside.

No, I'm talking about standard CT and ST armor.

[҉]

Katarn Armor is smexxy, but does it matter when you get killed with one shot form any weapon.

... what are you smoking? Katarn armor can take a direct grenade to the chestplate and not even get much of a scratch. Blasters tend to fizzle against it. Collapsing buildings won't kill the wearer inside.

No, I'm talking about standard CT and ST armor.

CT and TK (stormtroopers are TKs, not STs. Don't ask me why) armor doesn't stop a direct hit from a blaster in the same way modern bulletproof vests don't stop a direct hit from an AK-47. It does help it, and it will protect you from a glancing hit, but it's not magic. Katarn armor is magic. That stuff isn't actually indestructible, but it's pretty bloody close. As Shiva said, it survives contact grenade explosions and point-blank shots from Verpine shatter guns.

Something that is canon is that Stormtrooper armor was like the Chinese knockoff of Clone Trooper armor... which was an almost disappointingly large amount better than ST armor. Better protection, better instrumentation, more flexible... and that's without touching Katarn-class CT armor.

Source? I don't see that on Wookieepedia, and it's contrary to what I remember. As for the flexibility bit, at least, that's not right. Not for Phase I CT armor, anyway. Phase II was better, but still uncomfortable, especially when sitting. That's shown up in a number of books.

EDIT: Hmm. Wookieepedia doesn't have much to say about clone trooper armor, which is not what I remembered at all, and very surprising given all the CW stuff that's been around recently. It doesn't mention visual options for either Phase I or Phase II armor. I suppose it's possible that some of what I'm remembering is only true for commando armor, but I'm fairly certain Rex talked about all the stuff his helmet could do in one of the Clone Wars novels, too. I'm not sure what's up with that. Wookieepedia has more stuff about TK helmets, and does specifically mention that they have advanced visual features. It also says that Luke's "I can't see a thing in this helmet" line was not scripted, because he didn't realize the cameras were turned on. I haven't heard that before, but it would support TK armor being awesome in every other source.

[Chairman_Tiel]

The "Unknown Clone" in Battlefront 2 mentioned that the rise of the Empire got them "shiney new armor"; implying it's superior to the Phase II CT getup.

As Jedi said, neither one is going to protect you from a blaster shot; I've yet to see a clone without plot armor not succumb to a bolt. Something that probably warrants mention, though, is that they're all but impenetrable to kinetic weapons. You could fire twelve AK-47s at a Clone or Storm Trooper and he'd keep advancing to shoot you with his E-11/DC-17.

I'm willing to believe in HUDs, but they're probably much less extensive than those in Katarn armor; I can't see any other reason for their and only their helmets being the equivalent of a bullseye on their heads.