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[Crash Override]

You know even the notion that in order to combat crime you should pour more weapons in is disturbing, you know, why not give all that stuff to someone who knows how to actually use them and not some 16 year olds from an FC forum, lets say the police ? There are some very serious problems involving a citizenship in a vigilante state ... Plus the problem is not in the robbery fall rate but in the raise of "killed by a gun in various imaginable (and unimaginable) poses and situes".

Finally can you prove the fall in robbery and raise in arms are directly related to each other ? Perhaps the gov was clever and did what I said - poured money into the police.

Here citizens cannot own guns,and the police is corrupt.

Fuck everything,i want to shoot anyone who tries to kill me or do harm to my family. I am tired of people having to trust in a bad trained and corrupt police to do a simple thing!!

[Shadowcatbot]

Correlation ≠ Causation

I'm pretty sure the public school system has failed to teach practical statistics to you, Shadow.

Vinyl, Your talking to Daynel, L2Read.

Simple version:

Firearms are not owned by anyone except the military and police. You're not military/police and you have a firearm, you're off to see the judge.

Makes it simple; and depriving people of knives is harder (what with kitchens existing).

/GovermentOpression

Well knives cant kill a max of 10 ppl per second.

Iv, I don't know of any publicly available guns that can fire that fast and I'm pretty certain the body of whoever your shooting wouldn't hit the ground within a second. So unless your firing a grenade launcher or something your statement is illogical.

Well believe me its much harder than you think, first of all all parades are blockaded by police cars, its unlikley you will break through and manage to cause a lot of casualties in the same time. Plus you know its not my only concern, my main concern is that half of those who have those weapons use them like total idiots and end up shot by their very own hands, not only that but trucks are useful for things other than killing which you cant say about guns, sure you can use them for hunting but tell do you really beleive there are that many hunters in the US ? As I said the only thing you can do with so many guns is to hunt down your neighbours.

What kind of military style parades are you going to? Theres plenty of places cop cars dont block during parades, The sidewalks, Alleyways, the places the parade participants enter and leave the parade. If I put some small rocks in your doorways would you just go "Welp cant go through, guess il just sit here and starve to death since there is no other possible way of getting to the other side". Guns don't have to be used for killing, recreational shooting doesn't just include shooting animals, Targets and clay birds are much easier to find and shoot then sitting in a forest for an hour waiting for things to come along.
while your right there aren't that many hunters (Like 14 million hunting permits were sold/maintained last year not including non-modern firearm licenses) however hunt down your neighbors? You have a violent outlook on life "I HAZ WEAPON I MUST KILL" Id like to know what your mentality on other objects are "PLASTIC BAG CAN SUFFOCATE MUST MOLEST INNOCENT CHILDREN WITH".

You know even the notion that in order to combat crime you should pour more weapons in is disturbing, you know, why not give all that stuff to someone who knows how to actually use them and not some 16 year olds from an FC forum, lets say the police ? There are some very serious problems involving a citizenship in a vigilante state ... Plus the problem is not in the robbery fall rate but in the raise of "killed by a gun in various imaginable (and unimaginable) poses and situes".

Finally can you prove the fall in robbery and raise in arms are directly related to each other ? Perhaps the gov was clever and did what I said - poured money into the police.

Iv your talking like the government is the one selling guns, The same money is still going to the Police gun sales or not. Also perhaps you should consider the tax money from guns and ammunition are probably going to the police and inturn arming good citizens with weapons and giving the police more money. And I don't see how letting people own guns is vigilante, Their not actively hunting down crime and shooting a robber stealing from your neighbors isn't going to be shunned by anyone.
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Letting the population have guns is fine, But you cant try some backass middle ground, Either no one has guns or everyone is required to have one(Barring phyco's and criminals).
I do support gun licenses having thicker requirements and remedial course/mental checkups to try and weed out those who really shouldn't have guns. We could just go Switzerland and require gun training (Switzerland has a military requirement of some odd years for men so pretty much the entire male population is trained in gun use) which would definitely help cut down gun accidents and armed assaults.
But on the bright-side with the Geneva handgun organization or whatever estimating 89 of 100 people in the US owning guns, Thats a big ass Militia.

[Iv121]

Prob is that plastic bags, trucks, knives, all of those can do something else but murdering people and yes if you didn't know most rifles unload a magazine of 30 bullets in 3 seconds thus 10 shots per sec thus max of 10 killed ppl per sec though most of those wont hit. Anyway the US is one of the few countries in the world that considers selling machine-guns is legit, I mean its sure a good self defense weapon ! In fact Ill tell you that you dont need automatic weapons for self defense. Here when our gun instructor was showing us how to handle an assault rifle he told us this rifle has 3 modes: safety, semi-auto and a mode you dont touch. That mode is used for suppressive fire that unless you are in the middle of a battlefield filled with terrorists you wont need for the rest of your life, it can be used however to massacre people in big groups, certainly not self defense weapon. Even if you support guns for some reason at least take out the military grade stuff, oh and BTw as far as I know missile launchers are a thing.

The argument that buying guns sponsors police is stupid, yeah the gov will lose the tax money but hell you collect taxes from many other things and in fact most of your money comes from other sources so dont BS ppl around.

As for the must kill statement do know that guns are made for one purpose - for killing, and they will fulfill that purpose, by accident or deliberately, while you clean it or foolishly point it at your kids, it will fire. Keep the clay birds for airsoft guns.

[Archduke Daynel, PhD]

TL;DR Shadow don't trust the government and don't believe in idiots.

[Shadowcatbot]

TL;DR Shadow don't trust the government and don't believe in idiots.

Oh no I believe in idiots, They show up on the news all the time. As for the government, Who doesn't?

Anyway the US is one of the few countries in the world that considers selling machine-guns is legit, I mean its sure a good self defense weapon ! In fact Ill tell you that you dont need automatic weapons for self defense. Here when our gun instructor was showing us how to handle an assault rifle he told us this rifle has 3 modes: safety, semi-auto and a mode you dont touch. That mode is used for suppressive fire that unless you are in the middle of a battlefield filled with terrorists you wont need for the rest of your life, it can be used however to massacre people in big groups, certainly not self defense weapon. Even if you support guns for some reason at least take out the military grade stuff, oh and BTw as far as I know missile launchers are a thing.
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While machine guns are legally sold the NFA only allows the sale of gun made and registered with the ATF prior to 1986 anything made after that can only be legally sold to government forces. And automatic weapons only contribute to an average of 2% of gun crime, So the fear of automatic weapons is rather misplaced considering most gun crime is done by large magazine semi-automatics. And your right, They do make good self defense weapons for the home, When that army of robbers shows up on my front lawn I'l just pull out my trusty .50 cal browning belt fed machine gun mounted to my kitchen window and plaster their vehicles with brass. I don't need it of course, Not with the anti-tank mines and claymores placed everywhere in my lawn, And the bear traps, * bears always trying to break in.
As for missile launchers, I've yet to see anything pertaining to them, but its not like anyone whos crafty enough cant make some pretty damn easy so I doubt laws could help that at all.

[CommanderKobialka]

Prob is that plastic bags, trucks, knives, all of those can do something else but murdering people and yes if you didn't know most rifles unload a magazine of 30 bullets in 3 seconds thus 10 shots per sec thus max of 10 killed ppl per sec though most of those wont hit. Anyway the US is one of the few countries in the world that considers selling machine-guns is legit, I mean its sure a good self defense weapon ! In fact Ill tell you that you dont need automatic weapons for self defense. Here when our gun instructor was showing us how to handle an assault rifle he told us this rifle has 3 modes: safety, semi-auto and a mode you dont touch. That mode is used for suppressive fire that unless you are in the middle of a battlefield filled with terrorists you wont need for the rest of your life, it can be used however to massacre people in big groups, certainly not self defense weapon. Even if you support guns for some reason at least take out the military grade stuff, oh and BTw as far as I know missile launchers are a thing.

The argument that buying guns sponsors police is stupid, yeah the gov will lose the tax money but hell you collect taxes from many other things and in fact most of your money comes from other sources so dont BS ppl around.

As for the must kill statement do know that guns are made for one purpose - for killing, and they will fulfill that purpose, by accident or deliberately, while you clean it or foolishly point it at your kids, it will fire. Keep the clay birds for airsoft guns.

Fully automatic assault weapons are extremely difficult to get. You have to be highly trained, have a background check done, and you need quite a bit of money. I don't know why anyone would own one other than recreational shooting. Semi-auto assault rifles on the other hand are no different from owning a glock or beretta, except for the larger magazine, and higher range, which is extremely useful while hunting, especially for beginners because you can take multiple shots with having to prepare the gun.

Also, who the HELL "foolishly points a gun at their kids"???? I don't know anyone who would do that! I understand your position that guns are killing machines, but I've never met a single gun-owning adult who would do that. That's unbelievably stupid, and when they aren't using their weapons they lock them up somewhere safe like the top shelf in their closet or something.

[Error]

"Unbelievably stupid"

There are, unfortunately, humans on this planet (all over it) that are that brain-dead-derp. So while they're unlikely to get their hands on weapons, with the availability of them in the U.S., the chances are greater.

At least tighted your restrictions, and re-read the bit about the right to bear arms "In a duly constituted militia"?

[CommanderKobialka]

There are, unfortunately, humans on this planet (all over it) that are that brain-dead-derp. So while they're unlikely to get their hands on weapons, with the availability of them in the U.S., the chances are greater.

I suppose. Every year there are roughly 5.5 million car accidents. 2 million of those cause major injuries and 30 thousand of those are fatal. I don't see cars being banned though, Iv. More features are being added to cars to make them safer, and I say that's how the gun violence issue be solved as well. Instead of banning weapons completely, require basic, easy to get training on how to use the weapon. One extra employee in each gun store for that exact purpose could save lives. Someone to give the dos and don'ts of guns. For example:

DO keep the safety on when not in use.
DO keep gun locked up when not in use.
DO keep the gun out of reach of untrained children.
Do NOT play with gun. That's what toy guns are for.
If being assaulted, or home is being invaded DO turn the safety off and aim the firing end of the device at the area right in between his/her eyes and pull the trigger. (Then call the police, and put the gun away so they don't tackle you to the ground)

[Error]

Firearm: Intended to kill or cause significant harm

Car: Intended to move passengers and cargo from point A to B

...slight difference.

[Iv121]

You know your safety instruction is fairly rudimentary, for example how do you safekeep the gun ? Just put it in a safe ? Perhaps take the magazine out ? That is stuff you are never taught for example: Do you know what happens when you * a gun ? It pulls a bullet out of the magazine and puts it in the barrel, and do you know that bullet will remain there until you fire ? Heres how you safekeep a gun: You take out the magazine, * the weapon 3 times (which will result in the drop of the bullet unless its stuck), check with your finger that the barrel is indeed empty and finally point the gun 60 deg into the air and press the trigger (at which point hopefully nothing comes out but better now than the next time you take it out of the safe), now you are ready to put safety on and put the whole thing into storage. Those are all like hyper measures and usually you cut the trigger part couse we are lazy people but the other measures should make sure your gun doesn't fire. OFC in civilian environment its not enough because you also need to make sure that nobody who shouldn't touch the gun wouldn't touch it (like the grandfather's of someone shotgun who is clearly not kept properly if you can just take it out like that).

Even in those cases there are specific measures you take in order to prevent civilian casualties when you actually use the gun, its not as easy as pull the gun out put safety off and start spraying (which will get someone killed and that is most likely you unless your robber is just like you which you know is not that unlikely). First of all you don't pull the gun out at every single opportunity (like that time some couple got lost and tried to ask some dude how to get somewhere and he pulled the gun and killed them "Assuming they are robbers", you gotta be an idiot to assume it in our case). Shoot first ask questions later and you are sure to end up murdering someone innocent, especially if it happens to be someone dear to you returning home at night which has also often happens in the US. Its a really bad attitude that whoever enters your house is there to kill you. In most cases where you talked about robbers its most likely that the mere sight of a gun and shooting in the air will fend them off, they came to make money not to put their lives on the line, another reason why auto weapons are obsolete in your case.

Finally all those sites are good and nice in your home, but carrying the gun around in public areas turns you into a walking bomb. not only your gun is out of the safe and may end up shooting stuff with no intention, most of those people who carry those guns dont know how to carry them in public either. For example keeping the magazine inside the weapon, its a recipe for trouble. Next up is why would they need it in public areas ? If it is to prevent other psychos (who got their guns in a similar way) to murder people then here we go into shootout in public areas, and I will tell you this - if an untrained person is gonna hold a shootout with anyone in a public place chances are he will murder more civilians than targets, moreover you immediately become an unintentional target for the police thats gonna come. It only makes you think that you can prevent the mass murdering by having a gun during one but truth is you are likely to either die yourself or kill others, its hard to hold shootouts even for professionals, you have no idea how many soldiers worldwide die annually from friendly fire.



TL;DR : even if you gonna hold guns you don't hold them the way ppl do in the US.

[CommanderKobialka]

That is stuff you are never taught

False. I learned that when I was twelve at my first scout camp.

Also, my car analogy still works.

Requirements for car in Arizona, USA (varies depending on state):
Must be 16 years of age, must have had a learners permit for half a year in which time you learnt things.
Requirements for gun ownership in USA:
$$ and that's pretty much it.

Fun fact I found: Illinois passed a bill to allow ownership of concealed firearms on July 9th, 2013. People in support of gun control protested and said that areas like Chicago would become more violent. The Chicago Police Department recently stated that in the first quarter of this year they have experienced the fewest murders since 1958. There have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims compared to the first quarter of 2012. Guns are good things.

The fact is, the whole "nobody should have guns" argument would only work if guns weren't already here in such large numbers. Guns are easy to get by both criminals and law abiding citizens alike at the moment and if you ban guns, the law abiding citizen obeys, but in this world full of guns, the criminal will eventually find a way to get them. Even if criminals begin to find getting a gun too difficult, the American government is full of corruption, scandals, and all this crap that could lead to some pretty bad things. And I'm going to pull the "this dictator confiscated guns" card. Stalin. And yes, I did research on that statement. Stalin took guns. Hitler did not. (Not saying Hitler is a good guy)

Spoiler:

Why do we demonize Hitler so much more than we do Stalin? We're taught about the Holocaust for a solid month over here in the USA and a weak is dedicated to Stalin's regime even though he killed 10x as many people. Dafuq school?

[Iv121]

The true q is if those facts actually have to do anything with the arms or not, most likely just liek prev stats they are almost unrelated.

[ACH0225]

Firearm: Intended to kill or cause significant harm

Car: Intended to move passengers and cargo from point A to B

...slight difference.

Comrade, gun carry passenger too. Bullet is passenger, and it goes from point A in the chamber to point B in you.

[Iv121]

Nah, bullet is ticket for heaven !

Either way yeah it won't be easy to ban guns at first and criminals will find ways to get them but as I said: a. it won't change a thing, robbers dont come to kill you and if someone comes to kill you chances are you won't be able to pull your gun and even when you do its not a guarantee you will survive. Eventually though the amount of guns will fall, its inevitable.

Second if you gonna start murdering people just because someone tries to take your gun like some sort of toy you own it just proves how important it is to take those weapons from you.

Third you can pull that card as much as you want, we are called Nazis on a daily basis by some Arabs who sit in our parliament , that doesn't turn us into such. Its better having a dictator to take your guns anyway rather than having your neighbours taking your life if we are talking about extreme political conditions, prefering dictatorship that can still support normal life over anarchy which will end life as you know it, it will look like Dayz or something where you shoot ppl on sight and yeah in the environment where the strongest survives the chances are against you, either way I doubt the "American Dream" is gonna survive that.

[CommanderKobialka]

Guns are a symbol of how our country started and they will be the symbol of how we restore this country if the government ever tries to take them!