Standard Faction/Race Information Sheet Format

[Solar112]

You don't control me.

[cats]

You don't control me.

That statement falls under the category "not anything." Go be independent somewhere else.

[ACH0225]

I seem to spend a lot of time reiterating that the entire purpose of this is to completely rebuild the lore from the bottom up. This wasn't meant to simply clean up the lore, I'm not sure what aspect of that statement is confusing to you. It has been like this from the beginning. If you didnt realize this than youre missing the point completely.

@ach: I only accept criticism if it doesn't interfere with progress.

@solar: If you don't have anything to say, don't say anything.

I'm pretty sure the original purpose was to figure out the lore and then make a simple application for this all. I'd like to see the post where this became rebuild it all. Fen probably knows, or you do. I'll look later.

As for criticism, considering that if people don't like what you make, they won't use it, it's probably better to listen to the people instead of ignoring them because you don't like what you hear.

[Shadowcatbot]

I seem to spend a lot of time reiterating that the entire purpose of this is to completely rebuild the lore from the bottom up. This wasn't meant to simply clean up the lore

"Rebuild" in this forum meaning "copypasta with a buff shine and a hedge trimming"

[Chairman_Tiel]

http://fc-mod.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1126

[ACH0225]

Spoiler:

The following list of points is a brief collection of my ideas on the restructuring of the RP section. Any amendments that are suggested and generally agreed upon by the community will be added to the list.

I. All lore that is currently considered canon or was considered canon at any time prior to the passage of these points is henceforth rendered void. All lore made following the passage of these points prior to the establishment of the Board of Game Masters (Point II), the Standard Faction and Race Sheets (Point III, Point III-1), or the Standard Empire RP Format (Point V) will be considered void.

II. The creation of a small group of influential members of the Futurecraft Forum and RP subforum which will be officially titled the Board of Game Masters or whatever the hell you want to call it. This group will be responsible for the development of the roleplay section, the creation of standards, the passage of lore, the monitoring of canon RPs, and other needs of the FC RP. The main function of the group after the completion of the initial procedure (set by the succeeding points) will be to establish and nurture the orderly growth of canon lore.
--1. The Board will be comprised of no more than four and no less than two of the roleplay's most prominent Game Masters. I suggest that Fenway, being perhaps the most experienced and trusted GM on the forums, and I be the first two to fill the role, with a third elected as soon as possible via public pole.

III. The formulation and establishment of a standard faction sheet. A standard format for the information sheets of factions would assist greatly in the ease and speed of recording, checking, and using faction data. The format would initially require a general analysis of an RP nation by its founder including development in the pre-galactic era, important cultural points, a brief on the functioning of the government previous to galactic introduction, and other constants. As lore is written, the faction sheets will become more chronologically comprehensive. The format will be created and agreed upon by the Board, then editions will be made in accordance to a public poling.
--1. A separate standard format of information sheets for species will also be formed.

IV. Following the completion of Point III, the participant members of the RP will complete and submit their faction and specie information sheets for Board review. General home system coordinates will be decided upon by the founders of factions. Any disagreements will be settled by the Board.

V. Empire roleplays will undergo a change in style and rule. A standard format for turn-based and chronologically-based Empire-style RPs will be made by the Board in order to assure continuity and consistency. The purpose of Empire RPs will be to decide the outcome and specific events of major points in history.
--1. Point V only applies to Empire RPs that are essential to canon. Those less essential or noncanon, such as alternate universe RPs or minor RPs, are not subject.

For your viewing pleasure. I'm assuming all of this change is a fairly loose interpretation of the 1st sentence of V? Because I don't see any part saying "define laws of physics in RP world", and this is the official charter for all your actions.

[cats]

Are you honestly trying to peg me on a technicality? Point V only refers to the playing format of Empire RPs. That hasn't even been discussed yet. I didn't put everything that needs to be addressed in that plan, I'm no psychic. It was just meant to be an outline of what needed to be done. As it turns out, addressing and outlining the constants of the universe is a larger issue than coming up with a regulated ERP format. Some of the fine sub-points of that plan were somewhat reliant on the Board, which has proven to be less than expected. Anyway, if you want to fillet gossamer, I'm pretty sure that the defining of constants falls under "the creation of standards" or "other needs of the FC RP" in point II.

[ACH0225]

The thing is, I can't remember any time I or Fen was asked, "Hey, should we fix the whole system too?"

That's pretty important, because knowing what is going on is a prerequisite before doing something. If you just decide to do shit without alerting people, then that's a problem. Idk if there is some other post, but actions involving changing fundamental RP mechanics may come under serious review by me, who is also a GM.

Edit- found where the problems start. They start originally when CatsvsNinjas posted here, as that is a brony account. Things picked up around page 11, where methcats decided shields aren't real in the new universe. As such, I will now create a mechanic to keep shields the same as they were before

Normal shields operate on magnets

Strigiforme super-shields operate by transforming Yttrium into interdimensional energy, which is use to generate a barrier which takes energy input to it and spreads it as evenly as possible over all dimensions the energy will spread over. These dimensions are pretty much identical to ours. Also, as all dimensions are connected through tiny strings, when a shield is formed in one dimension, it is formed in all of them. Only the Strigiforme of our dimension have the shield tech.

I could go into the security protocols, but I'll shorten it up to say that "they are well guarded with bombs wired to an owl inside, nobody else has them.

[cats]

That's your fault for not knowing the purpose of the reset. A GM of all people should know the purpose of his mastery.

[Ivan2006]

And HOW EXACTLY would anyone know that if you never stated anything beyond "it's broken".
Also people voted for your system on the basis of the points you put up.
If you decide to change major things like turning the realism-slider to maximum without the players agreeing, all votes that legitimated your proposal in the first place are invalid, because they were cast under incomplete/invalid information on what was voted on in the first place, putting you either in a situation of being a traitor or having rigged the election.

Edit: also the purpose of criticism is to point out flaws in the current direction of progress, so essentially you explicitely stated not accepting criticism (beyond maybe some minor polishing...) and may or may not have declared yourself a dictator. And not a very popular at that.

[Chairman_Tiel]

I find it incredibly amusing that you're trying to call cats some kind of dictator when the only reason ACH is even doing this is to preserve his own faction's specialty. If you're attempting to compare the former to, say, Gadaffi, then the latter is Osama in terms of motivation.

As an outsider looking in, I'm also not terribly impressed by the various attempts at undermining his authority now present throughout the board. It reminds me of an example much closer to home where a bunch of angsty teenagers got all tick they couldn't grind at homecoming and so decided to create their own event where I guess twerking was 100% kosher. Still failed, though. Why? Because these students, my peers, they're concerned with the here and now, what they can and can't do at the present; whether or not the rules against whatever activity seem arbitrary or not. They don't see the big picture and where their actions may lead. I think that they even bothered to try to make some kind of statement by walking out and trying to make their own clusterfuck of a dance is proof enough all long-term ramifications were either rejected or ignored.

Likewise, what I'm seeing here is people of an age not entirely dissimilar to my own 'fighting the Man' because he dared to tell you something couldn't be done. Like an impetuous child between parents, you've elected to rally behind a disgruntled GM for the time being just to keep your own caveats in place. And that's disgraceful. Sure, you'll get your cheap thrills now, but again, what of this subforum in the coming years? You think this place will have any recognition outside of those who sustain it if our lore is carried on the backs of MLP exports and physics-defying technology? The only thing cats has done is spent dozens of hours making the necessary preparations for reformatting and converting the RP into a respectable sci fi universe we could expand upon at our leisure, as we voted on, and yet here you are calling him a bloody 'dictator' because he's saying something you don't like.

Shameful display.

[Ivan2006]

I see your argument, Tiel, but the first two sections are only valid if we were indeed hiding behind ACH. The truth is, he is just the only one with enough influence to get our point across.

For the third paragraph... well, mostly we're trying to defend our right to criticism. If our opinion isn't even regarded as possibly influencial on the system, then yes, I am inclined to say it might be dictatorship-like. I get that 'mlp exports' is just a random example, but I have agreed that it is not neccessary for me to have that kind of stuff and I have agreed to remove it, so please stop bringing it up, as that is no longer relevant. The more important thing is that physics-defying technology is the very motor of any sci-fi franchise. If we can't have the most basic technologies that are present in most sci-fi settings because they 'defy physics', then the fun of playing will take a major hit from the complete lack of freedom in our imagination. It also greatly benefits players who know a lot about physics, in effect removing anyone who doesn't know about physics and just wants to play from the competition, as those would not even be able to make anything that's not copypasta from another member.
Yes, cats job is indeed to (re-)build the lore. But his job does not include removing huge chunks of gameplay that no one ever had problems with.
Sure, we could go with that, but you won't end up with a wide variety of ships, because the thing that started all of this was shields, which get nerfed to a point where kinetic weapons can pass right through them. As a result, people would basically have to build super-heavy armor on all ships. And your very own argument in the ship classification thread against Battleships would be invalid (since heavily armoured warships make sense then), so I am actually surprised that you are supporting catsonmeth in this.

[ACH0225]

I agreed to making a nice application system, and to making the lore comprehensible. Until recently, that was the whole and entire point of this, as I understood it.

Just recently, though, I learned we are in fact changing around the laws of physics as established in universe. This displeases me, because the way things worked was already pretty well established. A little documentation and some changes to things like FTL to make them understandable, sure. But cats decided on page 11 that shields shouldn't be a thing. Yes, I'll admit it; I want to keep my shields. I also want everyone else to keep their shields too. And if this is a complete rebuilding of everything as cats says it is, then god knows what else he will change. Up to now, everything that was done has been fine. The documentation and forms made are all great, I just think that if we are changing anything about the core mechanics, it should be done in both a separate thread and with the full knowledge and agreement of the GMs, as well as telling the general populace.

[Ivan2006]

What ACH said.

[cats]

I've said complete reset and restructuring dozens of times both before and after I presented that plan. I'm also fairly sure that I said that it was flexible. If you didn't care enough then to find out what those meant, you have no right to whine about them now. You've already demonstrated ignorance of the fundamental aspects of the plan, I dont know why you want to feign knowledge of its finer points.

We both know that there were no established mechanisms behind the workings of the canon universe. I specifically designed the plan, if we're going to continue to pick nits, to accomidate such established mechanisms. In fact, universal constants are required for the continued implementation of the plan. I thought that was understood.