New video editing software?

[Tell]

But why would you sell some software for $500!!!!

[Prototype]

But why would you sell some software for $500!!!!

Depends how much it cost to develop.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Why do they sell cars for $10000+? Because of parts and labor. The virtual nature of software does not change the fact that up to hundreds of man hours (often by necessarily highly paid professionals) go into creating the finished product, especially for something as sophisticated and versatile as Vegas. If you were to steal a car and got caught, would the defense you make in court be"well it was just so expensive"?

By pirating these things you not only raise the price even further for the rest of us, you also encourage developers to put in even more stringent measures to combat it like SecuROM, or even switch to less easily embezzled payment models like F2P. I have to say there's some element of logic to Notch's stance on the whole thing - that if you steal a game you're probably going to buy it later down the line to get access to better stuff - but that's not going to be the case here.

[Shadowcatbot]

I think maybe you'll understand why piracy is such a big deal when you go into the workforce and start paying for stuff with money that isn't someone else's. No one's terribly fond of that guy who sneaks into the party and craps in the punch bowl.

What if we spike the punch bowl?

[Error]

Then you're an asshat.

[cats]

Solution: Two punch bowls. One for shit and one for the good shit.

[Iv121]

You know the average price for soft of that kind is fking thousands of dollars, its built for companies not mortals like us, therefore it is practically impossible to own a piece of software such as Photoshop without pirating it. With all due to respect to the creators but I wont pay twice my computer price for a fking piece of software, if you plan on selling it to both end users and companies make different costs for commercial and non-commercial uses, otherwise don't even dare to expect your software will be bought legally, sry but that is the one case I don't feel bad in the slightest for pirating something.

[Chairman_Tiel]

And if that's truly the case, I won't feel bad in the slightest if you get caught.

If you can't afford a piece of software, chances are you shouldn't be using it in the first place. You say it's "impossible" to get it, like this is some sort of fundamental right, but you are by no means entitled to the privilege of using industry grade programs. As you yourself pointed out, these are designed for companies, not individuals looking to mod a game or two. The only point in offering such a thing as a 'single user license' instead of just contracting is to cater to freelancers and small indie developers (those two often overlap). In my honest opinion nowadays, piracy is cancer with a small group of selfish people spoiling it for the majority because they have the gall to blatantly disregard not only international law but common decency as well, and then try to justify it as you did there by saying things like "they made the price too high!". Tough. Fucking. Luck. For people like you and me there are plenty of free tools to fill the same roles, not to mention the fact that some of the software companies like Autodesk actually offer educational licenses.

[cats]

Another solution: Educational License. I got FlashCS6 and Photoshop for a sixth their normal price because my mother is a teacher. I mean, they're not industrial software but still.

[Archduke Daynel, PhD]

Yeah, mentioning pirating was a real mistake.

[CommanderKobialka]

Yeah, mentioning pirating was a real mistake.

I think I'm just going to use lightworks.

[Iv121]

Spoiler:

And if that's truly the case, I won't feel bad in the slightest if you get caught.

If you can't afford a piece of software, chances are you shouldn't be using it in the first place. You say it's "impossible" to get it, like this is some sort of fundamental right, but you are by no means entitled to the privilege of using industry grade programs. As you yourself pointed out, these are designed for companies, not individuals looking to mod a game or two. The only point in offering such a thing as a 'single user license' instead of just contracting is to cater to freelancers and small indie developers (those two often overlap). In my honest opinion nowadays, piracy is cancer with a small group of selfish people spoiling it for the majority because they have the gall to blatantly disregard not only international law but common decency as well, and then try to justify it as you did there by saying things like "they made the price too high!". Tough. Fucking. Luck. For people like you and me there are plenty of free tools to fill the same roles, not to mention the fact that some of the software companies like Autodesk actually offer educational licenses.

Well due to not having an Email that ends with .ac or .edu or stuff like that it is impossible for me to get an educational license. Moreover some simple tools just dont cut it, you live in an era where modders and other ppl who have a hobby like that (not making money out of it or anything) can make fking video games with the quality of a professional product, the companies still don't realize that and thus do not offer those tools at accessible prices, leaving you physically no other way of fulfilling your hobby.

OFC you can say "So what there are cars worth millions, doesn't mean you should steal em !", that is right but when you steal a car you probably hurt the owner of that car, a software copy on the other hand is not taken away from someone. If you can't afford a piece of software chances are you not gonna buy it anyway, from that point on the company doesn't get your money, if you get that copy elsewhere doesn't matter for it anymore. That is also why those companies don't even try to prevent that piracy but instead focus on those who can afford their products but actually steal them (aka other companies). It doesn't mean pirating is good and if you can afford it there is no reason you shouldn't buy it, which is why this argument doesn't work for video games, but as you can see the argument against those companies who sell those products at ridiculous prices is strong and if their greed is killing their business so be it.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Well due to not having an Email that ends with .ac or .edu or stuff like that it is impossible for me to get an educational license. Moreover some simple tools just dont cut it, you live in an era where modders and other ppl who have a hobby like that (not making money out of it or anything) can make fking video games with the quality of a professional product, the companies still don't realize that and thus do not offer those tools at accessible prices, leaving you physically no other way of fulfilling your hobby.

If you can't afford a piece of software, chances are you shouldn't be using it in the first place. You say it's "impossible" to get it, like this is some sort of fundamental right, but you are by no means entitled to the privilege of using industry grade programs.

OFC you can say "So what there are cars worth millions, doesn't mean you should steal em !", that is right but when you steal a car you probably hurt the owner of that car, a software copy on the other hand is not taken away from someone. If you can't afford a piece of software chances are you not gonna buy it anyway, from that point on the company doesn't get your money, if you get that copy elsewhere doesn't matter for it anymore.

That's circlejerk logic. If you feel this program is so important then the company is losing money by you downloading it elsewhere than saving up for a copy. You're not hurting a person by taking something away, you're hurting the two dozen or so programmers being deprived of a paycheck because you feel it's some sort of divine right to be able to fulfill your hobby; even if it means breaking the law, evidently.

That is also why those companies don't even try to prevent that piracy but instead focus on those who can afford their products but actually steal them (aka other companies). It doesn't mean pirating is good and if you can afford it there is no reason you shouldn't buy it, which is why this argument doesn't work for video games, but as you can see the argument against those companies who sell those products at ridiculous prices is strong and if their greed is killing their business so be it

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Again, I bring up the example of the car. If a guy is selling them for 12000, and you don't have that kind of money, is he being greedy? It's an optional convenience, a privilege that you'd like to have, but does not having the money somehow justify hopping in and driving it out of the lot, therefore depriving him of his livelihood? That's not greed. That's necessity. If you had any idea just how much goes into the production of these programs maybe you'd start to understand the pricepoint. It takes a lot more to make the tools behind an AAA title than the game itself, and lowering it to something you find more acceptable just means they're going to go into the red regardless of how many people buy it as a result. Volume cannot always compensate for business costs.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Also, if we could split everything from Tell's first post on page three into a new topic, that'd be great.

[Iv121]

Well Im glad you can save up 1000$ in your America or something, sry but there goes more work into making a 50$ game than into that 1000$ Photoshop CS6 that didn't offer that much of a change since CS5, 50$ for their work Ill pay, 1000$ that goes into the CEOs fat ass I wont, in fact Ill put you before the same dilemma and explain you why you can currently buy a legal windows:

Lets assume for now that we are still in 2000 or something where Linux is not developed enough and used to offer a safe alternative to windows for which all programs are developed in an almost monopolist way and that mac is being mac and is priced double the windows no matter what price windows is. All set up ? Good, now Microsoft decided that today windows is gonna cost 5000$, I wanna see you buying it or I wanna see you finding an alternative for it, sure Linux exists but it is so incompatible with any other software that getting it is practically pointless, so what you gonna do now ? In fact that situation actually existed for millions of people and dozens of countries a decade ago, sure windows was priced much less, but it was priced with US prices, prices far beyond the reach of millions who wanted and even needed to use computers, THAT is how piracy was born and THAT is why you don't pay 5000$ for win right now. Piracy is in no way a good thing , but if we are being objective the fact that it offered an alternative to buying a produced that was far beyond your reach but yet was needed, nowdays even vital, actually made sure that individual pricing for those products has appeared in different countries and that those prices were legitimate.

There is no much money involved in the production of software, no raw materials to process, sure a lots of work hours but that money is easily covered by the initial sells, the person that really decides how to price his product is the CEO of that company that developed it, you can easily sell a non-commercial copy of PS for 20$ and make more than enough profit to cover all the workhours and the company's needs. You know if the bread is gonna be priced 50$ per unit people are not going to buy it, they are going to steal it and it will be your fault for making ridiculous prices for something vital. Companies start to get it which is why prices drop and with them piracy. So long there are those who charge ridiculous prices there is going to be piracy and a lot of it, good or bad we owe it a good bit, even though it risked to kill many industries a few times over it also saved them from themselves in a sense.

As always I dont say piracy is a good thing, but good or bad it has a point in some cases, that is my argument, to pirate a game from an indie dev is basically starving him, they don't charge much for their products anyway and the little they do the usually need, to this day the only indie I prob pirated and used was MC and I prob buy it when Im back to it, all the others I have are free.

Note to tiel: Before moving on please actually solve that little problem I presented in paragraph 2 without pirating the software.