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[Ivan2006]

I personally support Fenway's suggestion of how to handle earth.

[Chairman_Tiel]

I am in favor of the Space Jerusalem idea. Human is the official name, while Terran is the proper term (we've evolved.)

As of currently, I'd say Earth is under the collective oversight of every Terran faction there is. It is a neutral ground, nobody may exploit it, but it is host to millions of terrans or humans who've been allowed to live on it, so long as they do not terribly disturb the planet or it's ecosystem, which is being restored. Massive terra-forming and cleanup operations are ongoing to return the planet to it's former glory, and each nation has a small dedicated defense fleet for Earth. These fleets are independent from the main military force and therefore are not obligated to the nation's wartime efforts.

Travel to Earth is limited and strictly controlled to prevent lasting damage to it. Foreign species introduction is not allowable under any circumstances. A significant defense network is in place to stop pirates, terrorists, or anarchists (and others) from defacing or landing on the planet illegally.

At least, that's what I think.

I'm not sure I like the idea of every human faction having a fleet there. After all, even now we have trouble not blowing ourselves to oblivion. The way I figured it Earth is just this place everyone recognizes as important, even sacred, and so while there's a loose kind of understanding in place everyone would be willing to fight over it since it's basically the heartland of the species. By extension, the whole concept of restricting travel seems off to me. Who is doing this? Who's controlling the traffic in and out, organizing your proposed defense fleets? More importantly, who's giving them the authority to do so? I think it'd just be easier to go for the mutual understanding thing so as to avoid creating more faceless, inexplicably impartial organizations and allow more leeway for player actions.

Everything else seems great though. Makes sense that there'd be an ongoing effort to restore the planet to its glory, if not by any faction than by individuals and groups working religiously to preserve the world.

As far as terrans go, I just feel humanity is boring and could use some variation; dividing principally by those born on Earth and those in the far reaches of the galaxy seems like a discreet way to weave a pandora's box into the lore that can be opened later. If it's the whole 'master race' thing that doesn't fly with you the allegations of superiority can probably just be written off as rumor.

Defacto Israel owns Jerusalem, Jordan runs the Temple Mount and is given relative freedom there but Israel kept a right to intervene there if needed, so the comparison doesn't rly work.

Naturally you'd be in a better position to know than me, but every single source I've looked at indicates that isn't supposed to be the case. Regardless, I think semantics aside people know what I mean when I say space jerusalem, and if it bugs you that much just refer to the explanation of my thoughts I provided above.

[Iv121]

Im more interested to know why you hate me that much and how do you expect no terran faction to ever try to take Earth, quite a vital planet for Terrans (I relate to the race of humanoids coming from Terra as Terrans). It doesn't sound believable that there will be a powerful fleet that answers no authority, powerful enough to oppose factions with many systems under their control and numerous fleets. If such fleet exists anyway it will ahve political interests and won't just sit tightly doing nothing. Plus terrans are quite anti-religious and are unlikely to use Earth as space Jerusalem more than you use Jerusalem here as one, yea there are pilgrims but the dominating majority of visitors are your avg tourists.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Im more interested to know why you hate me that much

Well, you have one of two explanations. You can go ahead and attribute it to my supposed hatred of jews like you've been doing, or you could refer back to the post I made in another thread on this same topic where I went over in no uncertain terms why allocating an area that's significant to so many factions to just one is hardly optimal, never mind fair to anyone who just refrained from calling dibs on the world seeing as we've excluded it from every single RP up to this point.

and how do you expect no terran faction to ever try to take Earth, quite a vital planet for Terrans (I relate to the race of humanoids coming from Terra as Terrans).

I expect them to try, much like you are, only to be ganged up on the rest that also want it. Everyone wants Earth, but no one has the resources to reliably hold it, so it's universally recognized as neutral ground.

It doesn't sound believable that there will be a powerful fleet that answers no authority, powerful enough to oppose factions with many systems under their control and numerous fleets. If such fleet exists anyway it will ahve political interests and won't just sit tightly doing nothing.

That's what I was saying.

Plus terrans are quite anti-religious and are unlikely to use Earth as space Jerusalem more than you use Jerusalem here as one, yea there are pilgrims but the dominating majority of visitors are your avg tourists.

In my mind terrans are anything but. We have different ideas of how humanity will act, I think. For me, I'm trying to push an agenda of humanity having religious overtones, as a very small proportion of Earth's population today can say they're atheist. Not quite on the level of this exaggerated trait you see in other media (such as Halo's Covenant or SOASE's Advent) but enough to do their utmost to preserve the "Holy Land" (ringing a bell?) even if it means sacrificing what every human faction sees as their birthright to control the planet.

Here's a compromise - Earth is in the UTA's territory since it resides in the Sol system, but it's on the border like our RL counterpart is/was. That way everyone can access it and tie their lore into it without having to go to you for permission, which is what bothers me here.

[Error]

Personally, Tiel, while you make good points, you're unifying humans too much.

Honestly, the Commonwealth doesn't give two fraks about Earth. Nor are they excessively religious. While other groups may have their thing, they're just that, other groups.

And Iv, we're using "Space Jerusalem" because it's a decent analogy, not because we're trying to mimic Jerusalem exactly.

[Iv121]

Did I demand requesting permission from anybody ? Don't recall so, again I support relative lore freedom if you didn't notice. I also used a lore that will give you a lot of freedom as to how you ended up a faction in it's own right, you can even say I help to do it in a way that makes sense as after all I doubt everyone is gonna like that hes ruled over by some weirdbutt faction claiming to be the only true galactic terran authority or something.

Also I didn't call you racist or something.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Personally, Tiel, while you make good points, you're unifying humans too much.

Honestly, the Commonwealth doesn't give two fraks about Earth. Nor are they excessively religious. While other groups may have their thing, they're just that, other groups.

And Iv, we're using "Space Jerusalem" because it's a decent analogy, not because we're trying to mimic Jerusalem exactly.

Are you sure? I thought I was doing a good enough job establishing Earth's neutrality as a tenuous situation at best with everyone just one misplaced attack cruiser away from going at each other's throats (hint hint wink wink).

The way I see it if you don't want Earth, that's your schtick, just be sure to specify it when dealing with related matters. I'd just like for that to be the exception rather than the rule so as to promote humans beyond the role of undriven simpletons other sci fi universes place them in.

[Error]

Well, the UTA, ZE, HE, and everyone else can get their knickers in a twist over Terra if they want, we on the Rim don't give a flying F.

And AFAIK everybody else either wants or has a slice of Terra, so maybe that's your brewing ground for dispute.

[Archduke Daynel, PhD]

So that's what we're gonna RP about next, is it?
Huge middle east conflict on a galactic scale?

[Iv121]

I don't think anyone of those who attacked us really gives a damn about Jerusalem, the middle eastern conflict doesn't have much to do with it.

[Chairman_Tiel]

Well, it is holy to Judaism, Christianity, & Islam - three most common religions. That is what I was driving at with the comparison there.

[Archduke Daynel, PhD]

I don't think anyone of those who attacked us really gives a damn about Jerusalem, the middle eastern conflict doesn't have much to do with it.

Perhaps not. I don't know much about the middle east conflict and I'm sorry for talking about something I don't know about with the assumption that I was at least somewhat right.

[Shadowcatbot]

Earth is filled with space Amish. It's also protected by a six foot thick solid bubble of diamond due to the earths filthy atmosphere crystallizing into diamond.

[Ivan2006]

I thought earth was being terraformed back?

[Prototype]

Earth give you cancer. No exceptions.