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Many of my friends have said that they've noticed a mass exodus from Minecraft. The older player base of teens and adults, specifically the ones on PC, are leaving. I must admit I rediscovered Minecraft last week after not playing for about two months. As far as I know the Xbox player base is actually growing. Thoughts? Is this even true in your opinion? If so, what game will replace it?
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Re: I'm sorry but this is a question I must ask
Minecrafts doing fine, people are probably just moving to mod packed servers and such more.
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I stopped playing for fun about...a year back? Everything from that point was just making servers. I haven't even touched 1.7 to any degree, much less 1.7.9 (latest, rite?) The problem is, at least in my opinion, that Minecraft is at its core a novelty game. There's absolutely nothing to keep coming back for once you've done the same shit hundreds of times (see: SMP) or built everything in your mind's eye. Which, honestly, is kind of a silly defense of the title - if I genuinely wanted to create something I'd pull out a notepad or fire up 3DS MAX where my creations will at least have some relevance outside a group that seems to be increasingly comprised of preteens.
I suppose there's also the factor that many of those who find themselves in a similar boat were on the cusp of young adulthood. It's been about 5 years since the first MC release. I think most are just outgrowing it in the same fashion one might move on from LEGOs or action figure collecting. That said, I've recently noticed a ton of freshmen talking about Minecraft 360 or watching videos of it...if I had to guess that's probably because of the convenience factor. Even after 8 post-release iterations MC still is very much a demanding game.
Minecraft is doing pretty well for itself at the moment but I can't see it being the next Halo PC in terms of community longevity. Mods are really a temporary solution that only serve to obfuscate the problem instead of rectifying it, more often than not actually being overzealous in their attempts to make the tech tree as contrived as possible. I think TFC did a really nice job of at least making a token effort to solving the underlying issue, but like many mods the lack of a unified API and easy installation means it doesn't get the popularity it deserves at large. Will any game replace it? No, probably not. Most of them with similar characteristics suffer from the same pitfalls, that is, too reliant on repetition and novelty saving the day.
PS: When I say 'easy installation' I know you might point out Forge is pretty easy to deploy these days, but I'm not really talking about that. The fact of the matter is the process of installing a third party app to even think about grabbing addons is something that shouldn't even be there. It's basically this giant ridge that deters a lot of people from going into it. Consider for a moment that games like TF2 don't even have this; I could go into a modded server without even knowing it because everything is handled from the background. It's nice to know the Plugin API Mojang's been promising for at least two years now is finally coming to fruition, but I think it may be too little, too late. MC is reaching about full market saturation at this point so it's really only a handful of people that will be benefiting from that framework the most.
I suppose there's also the factor that many of those who find themselves in a similar boat were on the cusp of young adulthood. It's been about 5 years since the first MC release. I think most are just outgrowing it in the same fashion one might move on from LEGOs or action figure collecting. That said, I've recently noticed a ton of freshmen talking about Minecraft 360 or watching videos of it...if I had to guess that's probably because of the convenience factor. Even after 8 post-release iterations MC still is very much a demanding game.
Minecraft is doing pretty well for itself at the moment but I can't see it being the next Halo PC in terms of community longevity. Mods are really a temporary solution that only serve to obfuscate the problem instead of rectifying it, more often than not actually being overzealous in their attempts to make the tech tree as contrived as possible. I think TFC did a really nice job of at least making a token effort to solving the underlying issue, but like many mods the lack of a unified API and easy installation means it doesn't get the popularity it deserves at large. Will any game replace it? No, probably not. Most of them with similar characteristics suffer from the same pitfalls, that is, too reliant on repetition and novelty saving the day.
PS: When I say 'easy installation' I know you might point out Forge is pretty easy to deploy these days, but I'm not really talking about that. The fact of the matter is the process of installing a third party app to even think about grabbing addons is something that shouldn't even be there. It's basically this giant ridge that deters a lot of people from going into it. Consider for a moment that games like TF2 don't even have this; I could go into a modded server without even knowing it because everything is handled from the background. It's nice to know the Plugin API Mojang's been promising for at least two years now is finally coming to fruition, but I think it may be too little, too late. MC is reaching about full market saturation at this point so it's really only a handful of people that will be benefiting from that framework the most.
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Re: I'm sorry but this is a question I must ask
I quite like the blend of mods on the monorisu server (read: mechs, fighter jets and Bolters), but the last time I ever played seriously on a sever was, well ages ago. And I don't think of it as a creative game there, more like an war game.
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Clearly, the world needs FC RTS now. Maybe when Proto finally tires of flans(?), he can help Tiel with models?
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Jeb has been driving the game into the ground for long enough that people are starting to notice.
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Re: I'm sorry but this is a question I must ask
I think that Minecraft is still alive, at least in the sense of what we need for FC.
Most players have become bored and only play MC infrequently.
However, I guess they still consider themselves 'Minecraft Players' somehow and something completely new, like Futurecraft, may be what it needs to re-awaken those sleeping masses and put Minecraft back on the throne it belongs onto.
Most players have become bored and only play MC infrequently.
However, I guess they still consider themselves 'Minecraft Players' somehow and something completely new, like Futurecraft, may be what it needs to re-awaken those sleeping masses and put Minecraft back on the throne it belongs onto.
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I stopped touching anything Minecraft after they got the new launcher.
I guess I could get back into playing it if I bought the game.
I guess I could get back into playing it if I bought the game.
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Well prob is that ppl were obsessively playing it for long periods of times, it is only natural you can't play so much of it, you take a break and come back to it after a while, and even if MC is slowly dying isn't it natural for a game that old ? Though an interesting fact is that contrary to what you veterans of MC feel (as the result of the phenomenon on top) there are more and more ppl buying MC and those who bought it around release are apparently not tired of it yet.
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Iv, you can't just wander into a thread and say everyone in it is wrong. You have to provide evidence and support for such an assertion.Iv121 wrote:Though an interesting fact is that contrary to what you veterans of MC feel (as the result of the phenomenon on top) there are more and more ppl buying MC and those who bought it around release are apparently not tired of it yet.
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You clearly don't know Iv.Kzin wrote:Iv, you can't just wander into a thread and say everyone in it is wrong. You have to provide evidence and support for such an assertion.Iv121 wrote:Though an interesting fact is that contrary to what you veterans of MC feel (as the result of the phenomenon on top) there are more and more ppl buying MC and those who bought it around release are apparently not tired of it yet.
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Did I say anyone was wrong ? Did I even say everyone was wrong ? You asked my opinion I gave it, I wonder how you even dare to bash my opinion specifically out of all those many opinions that also say that MC is not on decline.
And you Daynel, don't know ? Do you claim I didn't play MC ?I played at least as long as most of you.
Moreover how do you want me to provide evidence for something that even the best gaming analytics don't know ? Such is the question you asked, though as a proof to some of my words it is a fact that MC is still selling well on all platforms, yes its not at its peak and nothing compared to release sells but considering the game was released some time ago it is a well respectable figure, MC is a true long-liver all around.
And you Daynel, don't know ? Do you claim I didn't play MC ?I played at least as long as most of you.
Moreover how do you want me to provide evidence for something that even the best gaming analytics don't know ? Such is the question you asked, though as a proof to some of my words it is a fact that MC is still selling well on all platforms, yes its not at its peak and nothing compared to release sells but considering the game was released some time ago it is a well respectable figure, MC is a true long-liver all around.
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I don't claim that, I claim that LJS doesn't know you, if he thinks you can't just wander into a thread and say everyone in it is wrong.Iv121 wrote:And you Daynel, don't know ? Do you claim I didn't play MC ?I played at least as long as most of you.
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Well you tell me if I said everyone here is wrong, it is physically impossible as there are people from both sides or in other words no matter what side I choose I will have someone with me, moreover I chose the most popular side in this debate through not because its popular (You know well I don't give a crap about the popularity of my opinion), in other words no matter how you turn it around LJS you're in the wrong here.
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