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You do not f*** with the enterprise.

Keon wrote:You do not f*** with the enterprise.

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer would beat the crap out of the Enterprise.

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Keon wrote:You do not f*** with the enterprise.

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer would beat the crap out of the Enterprise.

Most other genres using larger ships <CENSORED> the Star Trek universe

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Keon wrote:You do not f*** with the enterprise.

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer would beat the crap out of the Enterprise.

A well placed little doctor will destroy the Death Star.
Or anything else for that matter.

Even if it is badly placed it will certainly destroy it. Or anything for that matter. As long as it hits it.

Prototype wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote:

Keon wrote:You do not f*** with the enterprise.

An Imperial-class Star Destroyer would beat the crap out of the Enterprise.

A well placed little doctor will destroy the Death Star.
Or anything else for that matter.

The only reason The Doctor has gotten this far is because his enemies all suffer from Bond Villian syndrome.

fr0stbyte124 wrote:

Prototype wrote:

Last_Jedi_Standing wrote: A well placed little doctor will destroy the Death Star.
Or anything else for that matter.

The only reason The Doctor has gotten this far is because his enemies all suffer from Bond Villian syndrome.

Wrong doctor fr0st, think Molecular Disruption device

Well how am I supposed to know what you were talking about?!
The M.D.'s weakness has always been the range of its chain reaction. In a realistic space combat, units are going to be spread apart by tens of thousands of kilometers, or more, rendering the weapon not much better than a conventional nuclear warhead.

fr0stbyte124 wrote:Well how am I supposed to know what you were talking about?!
The M.D.'s weakness has always been the range of its chain reaction. In a realistic space combat, units are going to be spread apart by tens of thousands of kilometers, or more, rendering the weapon not much better than a conventional nuclear warhead.

Nuclear warheads can't obliterate an entire planet on their own though, so the M.D. Device (AKA little doctor) is more for planetary assault, whether you are eliminating an entire race of bugs, or an deadly virus.

Yeah but so can a Death Star, or less colorfully, a fleet of star destroyers. Enderverse doesn't have a monopoly on doomsday weapons.

So who would win in a face-to-face match?

The Little Doctor would indeed destroy an entire Death Star. But it would be less useful against an Imperial-class Star Destroyer, in the same way a nuclear bomb isn't a very useful weapon against a guy in a tank. It will get the job done, but it's certainly not an efficient use of resources.

In any case, that has nothing to do with the Enterprise. And ImpStar would destroy the Enterprise if for no other reason than that it's about three times larger and is designed solely as a warship rather than being aimed at science and exploration as well. It carries more and stronger weapons (because it's a warship), it has better shields (ImpStars have very strong shields; Enterprise probably does too but they fail in every battle), and it carries starfighters, which don't seem to exist in Star Trek. Even if they could manage to take out the ImpStar, which is highly unlikely, they'd have to deal with 72 assorted TIEs, which are theoretically weaker than the ImpStar but provide a completely different combat challenge, and not one that ships in Star Trek seem prepared to deal with.

fr0stbyte124 wrote:Yeah but so can a Death Star, or less colorfully, a fleet of star destroyers. Enderverse doesn't have a monopoly on doomsday weapons.

So who would win in a face-to-face match?

The Little Doctor can be launched from a fighter. That probably makes it more useful than the Death Star. This is a hard question to answer, though, given that so little information exists about the ships used in Ender's Game. I think an Imperial fleet would probably eventually defeat Ender's fleet, although if Ender or Bean were in command they'd have a more difficult time of it. I think Thrawn could beat Ender, though. He'd have a blast picking through the mind game stuff before a battle.

You have to admit, though, Thrawn got a bit Mary Sue at times. Who would win between Ender/Bean and Trawn would come down to who the author wanted to win.

Star Trek phaser cannons are pinpoint accurate weaponry; most races don't use small fighters because they're essentially suicide for the pilot.

Their shields are also pretty strong; unlike Star Wars, Trek is a televised series where stuff has to happen every episode lest the viewer get bored (whereas SW just has to lure you into the theater to watch the movie), this means the perpetual shield failures are nothing more than plot devices to outline the dangerousness of a situation. If we were to operate on Trek ships having the shielding strength of paper cups, we might as well say all Imperial personnel are arrogant bumbling fools who'll sooner crash the Death Star into a sun than take out the Enterprise.

Regardless, while all iterations of the Enterprise have taken out vessels more heavily armed with ISDs, I agree with you that in a 1v1 situation there's no way even a Sovereign class starship (Picard's ship, biggest ship in Starfleet in TNG) is going to wriggle its way out of being pulverized by an ISD.

Ender would beat up the imperials. That's the signature of a M.D.D., it takes down anything. Even planets. So if Ender trades a fighter for a Star Destroyer, even with his massively insuperior forces, he can still win. Also, the M.D.D. has a longer range than any SD shown in the movies, and can multitarget.

I would bet every starship there would actually kill at least 10 or so SD's before they went down.

Also, Ender. He's the greatest mind on Earth. The Imperials use incredibly stupid tactics. They build a giant bomber-thing using the power of several suns harnessed completely, and it can only destroy planets every few hours.

Oh, and also, Locke and Demosthenes would turn public opinion against the empire, inciting the rebellion and making Luke and the rebels even start fighting back.

Ender would likely win, if not through the use of the little doctor, perhaps the descolada virus could be weaponised or something, also Ender has acess to an AI that can teleport stuff/spontaneously create stuff from outside the universe, which is waaaaay OP