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Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:41 am
by Solar112
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:53 am
by Shadowcatbot
That's nice, I feel safe within my rights that my government is based off of so I don't really feel a need for this.
But hey, technology is technology no matter what your reasoning.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:55 am
by Error
Indeed.
Technology for the win.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:59 am
by Solar112
Yeah I was posting it because tech. I could care less about the gov't's spying.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:29 am
by ACH0225
Obviously a CIA/MI6/NSA run espionage wiretap.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:34 am
by Solar112
[sarcasm]GFD aCH don't tell them![/sarcasm]
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:42 pm
by Tau
1. Closed source and made by an American company. Assuming backdoors are present until otherwise proven.
2. I can't find any information on what cryptographic protocols are used, or how clients communicate with each other (assuming this is a peer-to-peer solution, which it probably is). Until I see a whitepaper or spec-sheet, I refuse to pass judgement on how strong it is, but will just assume it's weak.
How is this better than using PGP and XMPP over Tor/I2P/cjdns?
EDIT: Okay, there's a technical description on the site. It uses a Kademlia-based DHT, and public keys are stored on the company's servers (except for incognito users, which require manual disclosure of keys). Actual messaging and calling apparently uses encrypted SIP over UDP packets. However, it says nothing about the encryption methods used other than that it's asymmetric. This renders a portion of my second point (partially) moot, but there's still the issues of closed-sourced-ness and lack of info on the encryption algorithms.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:51 pm
by Shadowcatbot
Tau wrote:1. Closed source and made by an American company. Assuming backdoors are present until otherwise proven.
2. I can't find any information on what cryptographic protocols are used, or how clients communicate with each other (assuming this is a peer-to-peer solution, which it probably is). Until I see a whitepaper or spec-sheet, I refuse to pass judgement on how strong it is, but will just assume it's weak.
How is this better than using PGP and XMPP over Tor/I2P/cjdns?
EDIT: Okay, there's a technical description on the site. It uses a Kademlia-based DHT, and public keys are stored on the company's servers (except for incognito users, which require manual disclosure of keys). Actual messaging and calling apparently uses encrypted SIP over UDP packets. However, it says nothing about the encryption methods used other than that it's asymmetric. This renders a portion of my second point (partially) moot, but there's still the issues of closed-sourced-ness and lack of info on the encryption algorithms.
I like how there's a comment on that page almost exactly like this.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:23 pm
by ACH0225
Should really just have a one time pad for top secret communications. Nobody can de-encrypt that shit.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:34 pm
by Shadowcatbot
ACH0225 wrote:Should really just have a one time pad for top secret communications. Nobody can de-encrypt that shit.
You know what the government can't spy on? A letter sealed with wax is pretty hard to look at undetected.
GASP
mail!? What blasphemy is this?!
Writing on paper?!
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:35 pm
by Vinyl
Mail takes forever to get places. Digital is just faster.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:47 pm
by Solar112
Or you could go to the person with a piece of paper hand hand it to them. Then when they're done they burn it. Done.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:50 pm
by Vinyl
If you were just going to do that, you (presumably) have perfectly functional vocal cords.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:05 pm
by Solar112
But people can still hear you.
Re: Bleep
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:14 pm
by Vinyl
Not if you lock yourselves into a windowless, soundproofed room that has no cameras or listening devices.