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Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:13 pm
by TheOrion
I'd Say the Ammo should be Moved Forward, in Front of the Grip.. It'll unstack the gun, currently it looks Backheavy.

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EDIT #2: Now with more color.
AK-Inspirted Mini Carbine/ Bullpub AR. Yes, I know, it Looks Cramped and Clumsy.
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Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:59 pm
by Vinyl
Looks like it'd work as an SMG or a sidearm, not an AR.

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:01 pm
by TheOrion
Vinyl wrote:Looks like it'd work as an SMG or a sidearm, not an AR.
As i Said, it's Rather a Short-Barreled Carbine, Like the M4 or AK74U Krinkov.

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:26 pm
by Ivan2006
This is a bullpup carbine:
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Look at that picture of an AUG in carbine configuration and re-evaluate the position of your magazine and grip, maybe someone will believe you then that it isn't an SMG.
Because the way it is now, there is no space for a fully-automatic mechanism, which even in a bullpup needs to go behind the mag.
Another thing that makes it look like an SMG is the relation between your barrel thickness and gun lenght - really, either that gun fires .50 rounds (which woulod not fit into that mag) or it is tiny - in which case your magazine would only fit pistol calibre, making it an SMG.

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:31 pm
by TheOrion
Ivan2006 wrote: Because the way it is now, there is no space for a fully-automatic mechanism, which even in a bullpup needs to go behind the mag.
Another thing that makes it look like an SMG is the relation between your barrel thickness and gun lenght - really, either that gun fires .50 rounds (which woulod not fit into that mag) or it is tiny - in which case your magazine would only fit pistol calibre, making it an SMG.
Okay, 1st, The AUG doesnt Really Classifies as Carbine. But that Just on a Site note.

Barrel Thickness? Meh, its not Like it'll probabyl fire somesort of Special, Caseless 10-7 mm ammo. That'll explain the Magazine. and its Position, Shit. maybe I'll redraw it into a KV-Style Firign Mechanism, aka:

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The entire Firing Mechanism Sits behind the Mag.

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:42 pm
by Ivan2006
The AUG is an assault rifle, that is true.
What you might not know is that the AUG has switchable barrels.
The picture I posted shows an AUG with a carbine barrel.
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Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:44 pm
by TheOrion
Oh Please, I know what an AUG is Supposed to look like and its barrel Thing. Just got the barrel Lenght Wrong, derp me.

EDIT: Updated its art, now using a KV-Style Firign Mechanism, not needing me to redo the Mag.
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Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:30 pm
by Iv121
You forgot one really important thing mate - an aiming mechanism of any sort ah and a cocking grip, also holding that thing in any way other than an SMG is impossible. You know it might be back heavy my rifle but at least its realistic ! Its in the right proportions to be held as an assault rifle, reload is fairly easy despite your comments about the magazine being on the back. You should really hold a rifle to get it right, and by that I mean right now the moment you draw, I took a broom stick and pit my hands on it to get a feeling of where the parts of the gun should sit in relation to my body, its imperfect I won’t go THAT far ofc but its acceptably realistic.

Ah and finally @ proto the stock is the exact size it should be, the hand the stock goes into should make a 90 deg V when you hold the grip, its more or less there.

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:13 pm
by Saravanth
*ahem* Bolters *ahem*
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Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:51 pm
by TheOrion
Iv121 wrote:
Ah and finally @ proto the stock is the exact size it should be, the hand the stock goes into should make a 90 deg V when you hold the grip, its more or less there.
Good luck aiming down the sights then, for thst the arm should only do a 30' tilt, otherwise, you'll never get the sights in front of you.

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:03 pm
by Iv121
Mate I know how to shoot with a gun alright ? Nobody talked about a tilt anyway, I was talking about the position of the hand holding the hand grip. You can hold it in various ways but no matter how you hold it your hand will always be folded in a 90 deg V, here did a quick image search + photoshop for you to illustrate:
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EDIT: Oh I prob caused a bit of confusion sry: I meant the forward hand grips located around the barrel (made for heat disposal because you know barrels actually heat up during fire ) , well either way it has nothing to do with tilt. Figurs the proper name for it in Englsih is hand guards, TIL !

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:07 pm
by Vinyl
Saravanth wrote:*ahem* Bolters *ahem*
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*ahem* Imperial ranged weapons in general *ahem*
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Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:24 pm
by Tell
Vinyl wrote:
Saravanth wrote:*ahem* Bolters *ahem*
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*ahem* Imperial ranged weapons in general *ahem*
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*ahem* Star Citizen weapons *ahem*

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:32 am
by Archduke Daynel, PhD
Vinyl wrote:
Saravanth wrote:*ahem* Bolters *ahem*
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*ahem* Imperial ranged weapons in general *ahem*
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I guess I could try to make these...

Re: Orion's Flans Mod Models

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:44 am
by Iv121
They dont fit in, we're making cyberpunk here not steampunk, they feel out of place.