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Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:40 am

Are they more save than .tk ?

Post by **Tau** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:58 am

Ivan2006 wrote:Are they more save than .tk ?

I have absolutely no idea.

Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:08 am

That´s what worries me...
From the name, however, it looks like on of those region-specific domains which is classified by position of the server (like .at for Austria). If that´s the case, it would be pretty save.
Edit: Searched Wikipedia. .us is a country-code top level domain and thus about as save as .com or similar. It also has the positive effect that country-code domains show you where the website is hosted and thus which laws apply if you know the laws of the nation the server is in.
.us would have the pro of high freedom, as usual in the US, but we might get spied on by the NSA more frequently.

Iv121 · Post by **Iv121** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:17 am

Oddly when it comes to internet freedom .us is far away from best. Even sharing an internet picture made by someone else is a "copyright crime" . Apart from freedom to express ideas I don't think .us is the best domain, remember where all those SOFAs and stuff came from ...

Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:20 am

As a matter of fact, the copyright-problem would be existant with most country-code domains.
Austria, for example, which is about at the other side of the democratic spectrum, considers a picture by someone else without that person´s agreement a copyright crime.
The only difference is that the US has "fair use", which other countries don´t.

Iv121 · Post by **Iv121** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:30 am

Believe me if you use .il nobody would care if you host a pirate site, the laws are not enforced here. Try .ru for getting even more freedom unless you plan to go against the Russian elite and even then the chances you get down are not big.

Post by **Tau** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:00 am

futurecraft.foru.ms (Montserrat)

Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:25 am

Israel and russia?
I, as an Austrian, can tell you that .at is also very save.
Unless someone tells the Austrian police that he wants his pic removed, noone will care.
Really, you can actually do most things without getting noticed.
Austria has about 30 policemen working on cybercrime and 1,000,000 websites with .at domain.
No way they can work on something without getting called to work on it.
Also, in Austria, you will propably get told by the copyright owner before getting problems with the police. And your site only gets shut down if the police has to search your server for whatever reason.
If someone goes to the police in Austria and tells them you ignored their copyright, they will propably ask him if he tried to ask the website owner to remove it first.
The chances anyone will get us in trouble in Austria are below 0.1 percent. Unless we put up copyrighted material of one of our members up who lives in Austria and feels his privacy sphere broken by the publishing of the pic.
That would, however, be easily resolved by putting up a rule that any picture uploaded on the forum is automaically free to use by the rest of the Internet, as none of us know each other IRL, thus can´t make pics of each other and can´t ignore their privacy.

Another downside (or upside, dependng o point of view) would be that noone is allowed to do anything facist, make fun of facist germany or say that the NSDAP wasn´t the worst political party since day democracy or write anything that could imply that you support and/or tolerate facism, becuase tolerating facism is illegal in Austria, especially german facism (AKA national socialism). This law was forced upon Austria by the Allied forces in 1955 along with the guarantee that Austria would stay neutral and is part of the Austrian constitution. Becuase it would be illegal for me not to report that to the police. (I will only do that if someone like CMA shows up and is not banned, btw. It is not illegal for the website if a member does that, but the website owner has to clean up the mess)

Also, insulting, slandering and libel are illegal in Austria. However, I don´t think mock-wars count, as the point is the intention of harming.

I think that was a very good description of the pros and cons of an Austrian domain.
The most accurate any domain got by now, I may note.

Iv121 · Post by **Iv121** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:54 am

I don't think we want to be associated with any country ... I'm just giving examples if countries not givin s*** about that copyright issue. BTW policemen working with cybercrime are supposed to work on things such as hacking into databases or stealing accounts and money. The fact there are only 30 is not good. Counting all the people who work in the police and military with that stuff I can assume we have around 1000 trained people for that kind of work ...

Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:58 pm

Iv121 wrote:I don't think we want to be associated with any country ... I'm just giving examples if countries not givin s*** about that copyright issue. BTW policemen working with cybercrime are supposed to work on things such as hacking into databases or stealing accounts and money. The fact there are only 30 is not good. Counting all the people who work in the police and military with that stuff I can assume we have around 1000 trained people for that kind of work ...

To be honest, i think the ammount of secret/classified files of AUT military are low.
Which is not surprising, since we don´t even have a secret service to collect classified information.
And a military with about 60,000 very inefficiently deployed soliders of which about 2,000 are able to do duty (militia counted as well) won´t be able to produce anything worth classifying as well.
Nothing worth protecting => noone will try breaking in => Austrian government servers are about as secure as my PC.
It even got so far that Anonymous broke into Austrian gov servers and stated "Your security is very flawed. You´re welcome for us pointing it out."
As far as I know, these 30 people are supposed to protect the computers of the citizens. Who protects the computers of the government, I have no Idea.
Also note, Iv, that your country is at war, leading to higher security standards by default.
Still, it has less people than Austria, and considering we don´t have anything to protect anything (no, really, even our military is basically a mock-force with the sole purpose to fulfill the requirement of Austria having armed forces to secure their neutrality, which is part of the Staatsvertrag, the treaty that made Austria independent after WW2. We´d actually be automatically under US, UK and French occupation if we dismissed our military.
In fact, that´s all our military can do. It can´t stop a serious assault, it is in extreme trouble if someone ignores AUT airspace with military planes (the Austrian Airforce is made up of 28 Saab 105, training jets from the 70s we actually use for interception as well as 15 Eurofighter EF-2000 Multirole Fighters supposed to intercept threats, but in fact, they work so bad we don´t have a single pilot with the flight experience to fly them properly), we have no means of stopping a well-planned terrorist attack... etc.
And about the cyber-security: The closest thing to that we have in out military are the signallers, which do nothing but putting up radio relays and communication-stuff allowing for (mostly) secure communication.
Trust me, you wouldn´t even want to send the coordinates of your patriot-missile systems with that... they mostly rely on systems no other nation would call military-grade communications.

ACH0225 · Post by **ACH0225** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:29 pm

I think the server needs to be .cu for Cuuyth.

Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:37 pm

Sorry, but earth human internet doesn´t have connection to Cuuyth.

Iv121 · Post by **Iv121** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Ivan ... wow. Usually discussion about military leads to people telling about the great victories of their country that maybe never existed but that one O.o. Anyway those people protect not only governmental comps but also citizens' comps . See anonymous is pro-Palestinian as it turns out and so they threaten to get Israeli internet down on the 7th of April ... That is a new kind of terrorism in the cyberspace. I believe the vulnerable info is relatively safe because those kinds of comps are not linked to the internet and mostly don't even have USB links , best protection - hardware denial. The problem is with the services that are connected to the internet which will probably be interrupted and so interrupt the normal lives of people here, with the cyberforce we have this interruption will hopefully be temporary and short with no info stolen.

Ivan2006 · Post by **Ivan2006** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:14 pm

Well, you know, we are tought in school (politics lessons) that AUT military is crap, so...

Keon · Post by **Keon** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:58 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.cu

There ya go Ach.

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