Harry Potter spell: reference list

If it's relevant to Futurecraft, it goes here.
Forum rules
- This area is for general discussion; ideas and ships go elsewhere. Offending threads will be removed without prior notice.
- Unnecessary topics will be deleted or locked without warning.
Error
Moderator
Posts:4205
Joined:Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:49 am
Affiliation:CNI
IGN:FC_Rangefinder
Location:Sol IIIa, School of Hard Knocks
Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by Error » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:54 pm

Right, hammer is descending. If you wish to continue your arguments, please do so via PM.
Image

cats
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts:1853
Joined:Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:03 pm

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by cats » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:45 pm

Anyone else? Did we already give up?
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a completely ad-hoc plot device"
— David Langford
Spoiler:
cannonfodder wrote:it's funny because sonic's face looks like a * and faces aren't supposed to look like a *

ACH0225
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral
Posts:2312
Joined:Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:21 pm
Affiliation:Strigiforme
IGN:ACH0225
Location:Cuuyth

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by ACH0225 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:48 pm

I need a list of voice lines to make those. Idk what Tiel is doing. Just keep bumping it if need be, make sure people are constantly annoyed by the yellow wording in this area.
Image
fr0stbyte124 wrote:5 months from now, I will publish a paper on an efficient method for rendering millions of owls to a screen.
mfw brony images
Spoiler:
Image
Image
Image
Image

Professor Fenway
Texture Artist
Texture Artist
Posts:1506
Joined:Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:47 pm
Affiliation:Novus Roma
Location:Neither Here nor There

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by Professor Fenway » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:51 pm

Going to make a short song thing over the weekend, I got this.

cats
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts:1853
Joined:Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:03 pm

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by cats » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:29 pm

Will do, ACH.

@Fen: Good, I think right now design should take priority so ACH and everyone else has some direction. This weekend might be the best time to get a group together and actually discuss. It shouldnt take too long, so you'll have time to do whatever else. I'll ask around to see when everyone's available.

I'm free this Friday through next Wednesday, but my father seems set on deconstructing my car so that might change.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a completely ad-hoc plot device"
— David Langford
Spoiler:
cannonfodder wrote:it's funny because sonic's face looks like a * and faces aren't supposed to look like a *

cannonfodder

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by cannonfodder » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:01 pm

One of the caveats of the engine is the ability to apply techniques such as normal mapping and specular to a mesh - this allows more versatility in the creation of models and textures. Specular in itself could be summarized as the ability to specify how a material will react to lights when rendered. Both it and normal mapping are pretty neat since they allow stuff like this
Spoiler:
Image

Conservative variant with little depth but no obvious seams

Image

On the other end of the spectrum, a more heavily populated normal map coming at the cost of some ghastly divides.

Image

Compromise between the two. Eliminates the paper curl effect but seams still moderately visible. May be necessary to modify UVs to enlarge entirely

Adding details without having to modify the mesh itself allows a more conservative mindset during initial modelling. It's a simple matter to make lo-poly, efficient topology and add in finer details (ie greebling) later on with normal mapping. Conversely, it's also entirely feasible to create a higher-poly model and, in a process known as baking, simplify a model's mesh while rendering such aesthetics to a normal map image. Either way you go, the way this works is that the image essentially tricks the renderer into believing there is geometry where there isn't; the distortions in a polygon's normals (basically lighting & facing information) creating the illusion that maybe there is something hidden down there when combined with a complementary diffuse.

Image

This isn't really anything revolutionary, but it's something possible in the project that wasn't before so figured it worth sharing. My time as of late has been split figuring out this engine's implementation of the aforementioned techniques and drawing up this design doc as a means of collating the various features I want to make some progress towards before a public release. So far I've coded a means to select a unit and 'order' it to navigate to a point in the scene using an AI class; when I find the time to delve a bit deeper and get more done I'll make a video.

For the timebeing all I can suggest is arguing about what's in the doc and what could be added; unless you have a set of current skills such as drawing or modeling that may prove more immediately relevant, in which case, do share.

ACH0225
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral
Posts:2312
Joined:Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:21 pm
Affiliation:Strigiforme
IGN:ACH0225
Location:Cuuyth

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by ACH0225 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:25 pm

Doc seems pretty solid. if factions ever come up in relation to all of that, I vote Fenway decides.

My only issue is that you don't seem to have any sort of plan for fuel storage. Did I just miss it, or is there going to be a hard cap? I'd suggest tanker vessels which come are warped in dry, or perhaps depot stations which can increase cap. If it's possible, an interesting mechanic would be to make fuel realistic in dispersal; a ship would have to be near the mining outpost or other fuel source to receive fuel, rather than just your fuel income being autodispersed
Image
fr0stbyte124 wrote:5 months from now, I will publish a paper on an efficient method for rendering millions of owls to a screen.
mfw brony images
Spoiler:
Image
Image
Image
Image

cannonfodder

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by cannonfodder » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:36 pm

ACH0225 wrote:If it's possible, an interesting mechanic would be to make fuel realistic in dispersal; a ship would have to be near the mining outpost or other fuel source to receive fuel, rather than just your fuel income being autodispersed
Good in theory, but increases micromanagement too much in execution. The way I'm picturing the algorithm is more like

on tick
if ship1.shipmoving true
decrement fuel pool (shipmoving_cost)

rather than attempting to create a fuel variable for every consuming object present. It wouldn't be terribly difficult codewise, and perhaps 'hardcore mode' could be a thing later on, but for now I'd just like to keep it simple stupid.

Fuel storage; I wasn't really thinking a hard cap would be entirely necessary given the nature as a consumable. In all honesty I found the silo mechanic annoying in C&C, but I can see the viability of such a mechanic here. An artificial limit on how much stuff one can viably field, seeing as everything constantly draws from the pool. Food for thought.

Error
Moderator
Posts:4205
Joined:Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:49 am
Affiliation:CNI
IGN:FC_Rangefinder
Location:Sol IIIa, School of Hard Knocks

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by Error » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:13 am

Looks good so far.

On the note of units, I'd suggest adding the following:

Destroyer (anti-frigate)
Cruiser (general purpose)
Missile Cruiser (anti-everything-larger-than-a-frigate)
Battlecruiser (anti-capital ship/anti-flagship)
Battleship (or similar term; heavy direct-combat vessel)
Carrier (produces fighters and corvettes, can ferry them around to reduce their fuel use)

Shipyard (builds or FTL's in all vessels except Flagship - probably immobile)
Defensive Satellite (immobile after deployment. Essentially, a stationary BFG)
Sensor Array (long-range sensor array, immobile)

Beyond that, not sure.

@ACH while refuelling and per-ship fuel stores would be interesting (á la strike craft/corvettes in Homeworld), it probably would stretch us a bit for a first release.
Image

ACH0225
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral
Posts:2312
Joined:Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:21 pm
Affiliation:Strigiforme
IGN:ACH0225
Location:Cuuyth

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by ACH0225 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:54 am

Well, the mechanic introduced by having to refuel from a depot or supply ship would make it so supply lines are a thing; you couldn't just launch a fuckhueg fleet straight into the enemy, you would have to make sure you have enough freighter ships and such to keep them supplied, and if they get cut off, you're screwed. No idea about the difficulty of this, but it could be an interesting option for future releases, if they happen.
Image
fr0stbyte124 wrote:5 months from now, I will publish a paper on an efficient method for rendering millions of owls to a screen.
mfw brony images
Spoiler:
Image
Image
Image
Image

Prototype
Developer
Posts:2968
Joined:Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:25 am
Affiliation:NSCD
IGN:Currently:Small_Bear
Location:Yes

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by Prototype » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:50 am

I did a thing, I don't know if it's useful though.

Image
Spoiler:
Image
Mistake Not... wrote: This isn't rocket science, *!
Image

Spoiler:
Image

cannonfodder

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by cannonfodder » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:43 am

But Who's Counting? wrote:Looks good so far.

On the note of units, I'd suggest adding the following:

Destroyer (anti-frigate)
Cruiser (general purpose)
Missile Cruiser (anti-everything-larger-than-a-frigate)
Battlecruiser (anti-capital ship/anti-flagship)
Battleship (or similar term; heavy direct-combat vessel)
Carrier (produces fighters and corvettes, can ferry them around to reduce their fuel use)

Shipyard (builds or FTL's in all vessels except Flagship - probably immobile)
Defensive Satellite (immobile after deployment. Essentially, a stationary BFG)
Sensor Array (long-range sensor array, immobile)
..?
There are no unis in the design doc. If you're referring to Ship Types that's what it says on the tin - they're more for my reference than anything on what to classes to handle in the code. Units are more or less what's there with different names; ie, a Damocles destroyer would be a member of the light capital ships class and inherit general traits thereof, with parameters being specified in its definition to differentiate it from other children.
ACH0225 wrote:Well, the mechanic introduced by having to refuel from a depot or supply ship would make it so supply lines are a thing; you couldn't just launch a fuckhueg fleet straight into the enemy, you would have to make sure you have enough freighter ships and such to keep them supplied, and if they get cut off, you're screwed. No idea about the difficulty of this, but it could be an interesting option for future releases, if they happen.
I haven't the time to point out the flaws in this at present, but supply lines aren't a thing in RTS for a reason.

@Prototype

The texture is inconsistent with the artstyle and if it's made out of boxes I'd have to convert it. If you could rectify one or the other it'd be a lot more useful.

Prototype
Developer
Posts:2968
Joined:Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:25 am
Affiliation:NSCD
IGN:Currently:Small_Bear
Location:Yes

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by Prototype » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:49 am

It appears to be made out of boxes, but they are all contained within the same mesh, not sure if workable in it's current state, but I might be able to merge them. Though I might be better off just making it again from scratch, the only real advantage to this one is I know how to texture it.
Spoiler:
Image
Mistake Not... wrote: This isn't rocket science, *!
Image

Spoiler:
Image

Prototype
Developer
Posts:2968
Joined:Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:25 am
Affiliation:NSCD
IGN:Currently:Small_Bear
Location:Yes

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by Prototype » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:08 pm

Doing something slightly more useful:

Image

Image
Spoiler:
Image
Mistake Not... wrote: This isn't rocket science, *!
Image

Spoiler:
Image

cats
Rear Admiral
Rear Admiral
Posts:1853
Joined:Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:03 pm

Re: Harry Potter spell: reference list

Post by cats » Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:44 pm

Spoiler:
Image
?
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a completely ad-hoc plot device"
— David Langford
Spoiler:
cannonfodder wrote:it's funny because sonic's face looks like a * and faces aren't supposed to look like a *

Post Reply