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Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:16 pm
by joykler
it disgusts the mu
we wont sign this

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:47 pm
by Iv121
You didn't write 1.4 correctly as it only includes a list of actions and factions with no action concerned. I can only assume you meant that any contact with those nations is forbidden - A move that no nation will be able to undertake.

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:28 pm
by Error
Paragraphs:
§1 Concerning slavery and how to treat it.
§1.1 Slavery, in any form, is forbidden.
§1.2 Paragraph §1.1 and §1.2 may not be changed under any circumstances, and have no exceptions.
§1.2 Any slaves, under your and/or someone else's possession, are to be set free immediately.
§1.4 Contracts, agreements, treaties and/or acts that grant
a. Peace, b. Support, or c. Neutrality
to:
a. Nations, b. Unions, or c. Organizations
that:
a. Actively maintain slavery, or b. Support slavery,
Are forbidden.


Cleaned it up for ye.

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:08 pm
by Iv121
While the UTA is against holding humans as property of other humans and believes in equality of human rights we cannot force our ways and opinions on others.

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:12 pm
by joykler
who would check this
becaulse there are nations who currently have a alliance with us

and again why can humans have animals
why can humans have robots
why can animals hold animals
but humans no humans

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:59 pm
by Iv121
Why can humans eat beef but can't eat other humans ? For the same reason. Plus there is a thing called "animal rights" to let you know and they are not living in slavery. Robots are tools as much as sticks or rocks. Unless you plan to free rocks from our slavery there is no point in doing the same to robots. IF the robot has feelings then it becomes more of a sapient form of life which does mean it has some rights but then it's not a robot anymore.

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:03 pm
by joykler
here we just watched a programm in holland were people eat people
and its okey

and i dont say rocks should be freed
because i dont care if they are slaves or not

and about the animal rights
im wiling to sign a document to grant slaves some basic rights just like animals
because thats your argument

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:16 pm
by Prototype
FREE THE ROCKS

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:37 pm
by Iv121
No, to give humans animal rights is not exactly ... ethical either. I'm sure you have far more advanced needs than just food and sex.

Your are right at some point that those are behavior norms we established - not to eat others, not to go naked ... Moral is a subjective thing and thus we cannot force it on others, yet those morals are essential for our survival as human race. Can we function as a normal society when we know that a human to a human is a prey ? That you might get killed and eaten on the street ? Or that you might end up as a slave one day ?

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:40 pm
by Prototype
This is where being a robot has its advantage, no fear of your own kind attacking you, and when it comes to ethics regarding organics, simple, shoot them, after all giant death robots would just be giant robots if they didn't shoot anything, they must take their place on top of the assimilation chain.

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:44 pm
by Professor Fenway
PETR (People for the Ethical Treatment of Rocks), UNITE!

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:49 pm
by joykler
yes we can
first thing
we are not all humans
most of us are humanoids yes
but humans no

and animals have more feelings
than just food and sex and it goes okey with him

if everyone knows anything could happen
then there is no problem

if i treat my slaves well
i think its more humain then leaving them to starve in africa
or let people who really can support themselves over to their own fate

there are people who need to be ruled its just the way of life

and my slaves have rights
they have the right to have a warm bed
bread and meat with a mug of brew
not to be directly harmed
to be treated as a common workforce

the only diffrence is
i can trade with them
[exept the fact i dont give them money its just like the soccer buisness]
and tell them how to live
and where to work

is that so wrong

and like prototype says
some people need to fight their way up the chain of command
because there is a diffrence between people
and mine isnt controlled by how much money you have
or where you are born

no its what you do
and what you choose

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:54 pm
by Professor Fenway
Testing on animals and such has been outlawed in NeoRome for 20 years as they cannot make decisions for themselves, except in some rare circumstances. Therefore, products are tested on people who volunteer for the program, with appropriate hazard pay and medical facilities, psychological counseling, etc.

In our eyes, a person is a slave when they do not, by any means, have a way to advance from their current position, receives no gain from their work, is completely controlled by the government, or any combination. They also have no ability to leave their situation.

Re: Agreement against slavery

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:56 pm
by joykler
then my dear neorome
you should lift the threat of war
because we dont own slaves [atleas not in your eyes]