"WE" discuss RPs
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:02 am
You wanted me to make a separate thread here we go.
What annoys me the most about your position regarding stats in RPs is the hypocrisy that surrounds your answers. "WE hate numbers they make stuff complicated they overburden stuff we don't want to do this that we don’t want to think !", Id like to remind you all of the equally successful RPs that did have stats in them. "Yeah they were all failures they all fell apart they were all this they were all that", Id like to remind you that all of the RPs that had stats in them fell due to external factors (Ironically almost all of them fell apart when the forum fell down), the last example of an empire RP that fell apart just couse it didn’t work was an empire RP that DIDNT have stats and hence the broken judging system that was supposed to decide which side won the battles simply collapsed on itself.
The prejudice of the mods is apparent in every single example of RPs without stats and even in those with them. The only way to get rid of that prejudice is to remove the GMs from the game, the one who dictates the rules cannot be the one to play the game. Even when the GM is not directly involved giving out a fair verdict becomes almost impossible for them with no real reference points. End result if there is no real advantage for one side or another we end up with a bloodshed where everyone practically loses because this way nobody can blame the GM that the verdict was blast, its a result that in reality is a rarity however here it takes front stage .
The stats don't prevent all those issues however they help to solve a great amount of cases such as this and they allow the GM to take part in the game. The only reason I can see for ppl to not want then is because of the "We dont want to think" part. "We don't want to sit down and calculate and keep track of stuff and do this and do that and do blahblahblah". But lets think about it for a moment, is it that hard ?
Is it that hard to write down some simple numbers on the front page ? To make 1 + 1 when you "make your fleet bigger" or stuff ? You do all of it anyway, if you want to be part of an RP you need to note when ppl build something, make a move do a thing. You pretty much already do 90% of the job, all that is left for you is to call things by their name and say that when you built yet another cruiser (with a name that doesn't tell a single damn thing to the person who reads it) you added +1 to your fleet stat, not only it is a much quicker, time saving and informative way to say the same thing, the fact your fleet stat is now 10 actually means that in TWO CHARACTERS, '1' '0', you keep track of 10 paragraphs that describe the construction of 10 ships.
"But Iv RP is all about writing a story and shit" well what prevents you from writing the same story ? You just add 1 sentence above it "fleet +1" that makes everyone's job easier, the story is still there, if you think writing this and having a story is two incompatible things you either never played RPs before this or you lie, Id like to remind you again our own RPs here, every single D&D you ever had (dont start telling me some bullshit about it not having a story and blahblahblah, its the same freaking story where the biasness of the GM is entirely removed by D20s and single spreadsheet with a few numbers), go watch the second yogsquest again, its a good show and illustrates my point perfectly.
In conclusion Id like to note that the amount of effort you need to put to make everyone's life that much easier is so small that I don't get why you keep trying to find pitiful reasons not to. I think tthe reason this happens is because Im the one who writes it, say what you want about you loving me and crap but its a fact, whenever I make a suggestion, a point a reference, anything , its subconsciously regarded differently by you all, even if you know what I say is true you'd still try to prove otherwise. If you believe there is a worthy reason not to use stats write it here so that I can disproof it. All I want from you is to understand that you are prejudiced against numbers for no reason, you just try to pull it out of your arse and make life for everyone difficult, I don't ask you to change the type of RP you have now.
Why am I going through the trouble ? Because perhaps then there would be a point for the RP tool I was making, to make keeping track of stats as easy as a click of a button, if you keep insisting on your witch hunt for numbers and your general phobia of 3rd grader math there is no point for me making it.
What annoys me the most about your position regarding stats in RPs is the hypocrisy that surrounds your answers. "WE hate numbers they make stuff complicated they overburden stuff we don't want to do this that we don’t want to think !", Id like to remind you all of the equally successful RPs that did have stats in them. "Yeah they were all failures they all fell apart they were all this they were all that", Id like to remind you that all of the RPs that had stats in them fell due to external factors (Ironically almost all of them fell apart when the forum fell down), the last example of an empire RP that fell apart just couse it didn’t work was an empire RP that DIDNT have stats and hence the broken judging system that was supposed to decide which side won the battles simply collapsed on itself.
The prejudice of the mods is apparent in every single example of RPs without stats and even in those with them. The only way to get rid of that prejudice is to remove the GMs from the game, the one who dictates the rules cannot be the one to play the game. Even when the GM is not directly involved giving out a fair verdict becomes almost impossible for them with no real reference points. End result if there is no real advantage for one side or another we end up with a bloodshed where everyone practically loses because this way nobody can blame the GM that the verdict was blast, its a result that in reality is a rarity however here it takes front stage .
The stats don't prevent all those issues however they help to solve a great amount of cases such as this and they allow the GM to take part in the game. The only reason I can see for ppl to not want then is because of the "We dont want to think" part. "We don't want to sit down and calculate and keep track of stuff and do this and do that and do blahblahblah". But lets think about it for a moment, is it that hard ?
Is it that hard to write down some simple numbers on the front page ? To make 1 + 1 when you "make your fleet bigger" or stuff ? You do all of it anyway, if you want to be part of an RP you need to note when ppl build something, make a move do a thing. You pretty much already do 90% of the job, all that is left for you is to call things by their name and say that when you built yet another cruiser (with a name that doesn't tell a single damn thing to the person who reads it) you added +1 to your fleet stat, not only it is a much quicker, time saving and informative way to say the same thing, the fact your fleet stat is now 10 actually means that in TWO CHARACTERS, '1' '0', you keep track of 10 paragraphs that describe the construction of 10 ships.
"But Iv RP is all about writing a story and shit" well what prevents you from writing the same story ? You just add 1 sentence above it "fleet +1" that makes everyone's job easier, the story is still there, if you think writing this and having a story is two incompatible things you either never played RPs before this or you lie, Id like to remind you again our own RPs here, every single D&D you ever had (dont start telling me some bullshit about it not having a story and blahblahblah, its the same freaking story where the biasness of the GM is entirely removed by D20s and single spreadsheet with a few numbers), go watch the second yogsquest again, its a good show and illustrates my point perfectly.
In conclusion Id like to note that the amount of effort you need to put to make everyone's life that much easier is so small that I don't get why you keep trying to find pitiful reasons not to. I think tthe reason this happens is because Im the one who writes it, say what you want about you loving me and crap but its a fact, whenever I make a suggestion, a point a reference, anything , its subconsciously regarded differently by you all, even if you know what I say is true you'd still try to prove otherwise. If you believe there is a worthy reason not to use stats write it here so that I can disproof it. All I want from you is to understand that you are prejudiced against numbers for no reason, you just try to pull it out of your arse and make life for everyone difficult, I don't ask you to change the type of RP you have now.
Why am I going through the trouble ? Because perhaps then there would be a point for the RP tool I was making, to make keeping track of stats as easy as a click of a button, if you keep insisting on your witch hunt for numbers and your general phobia of 3rd grader math there is no point for me making it.